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To: Air Force Brat

Thank you so much for posting this. So sad to see a bunch of terrified cowboy “conservatives” wetting their pants because of these freaks.

Man up, people! this is NOTHING like the Soviet or Nazi threat, and we didn’t sacrifice these liberties then...


18 posted on 06/24/2007 12:10:59 AM PDT by TINS
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To: TINS
Man up, people! this is NOTHING like the Soviet or Nazi threat, and we didn’t sacrifice these liberties then...

Yes, just shut up and accept the attacks as a way of life. After all, our principles are intact even though our citizens are getting killed.

25 posted on 06/24/2007 5:23:43 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: TINS; Dilbert56; steverino62

I tried to give some examples of why the warrantless wiretaps are reasonable exercises of the Commander in Chief’s power when waging war. Dilbert56 gives a more detailed example that is very accurate to what has actually happened.

Yet our “libertarians” for the most part, refuse to address what could happen if we didn’t act quickly, decisively, but tried to go through all hassles and paperwork. But Steverino62 does accept the consequences - he is willing to accept daily terrorist bombings if necessary. I AM NOT!

As to the Soviet or Nazi threat - TINS is ignorant of WWII. All Mail was subject to being opened, reviewed, AND CENSORED. (A Japanses spy on Bainbridge Island, WA, was captured after reviewing various letters and finding a pattern of sending coded phrases that gave ships movements in and out of the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard.) Of course, any direct connections to Europe (telegraph cable) was subject to monitoring. So what has happened in the past has certainly been more invasive than present.

During the 1990’s - Clinton authorized the TRUE domestic wiretapping program that far exceeded what Pres. Bush has done, and we here little about it. Clinton decided that the Oklahoma bombing was due to extreme right wing groups running amok, and he authorized and directed a wide sweeping wire tap program to gather data. Yet the Democrats refuse to critize that extensive and abusive program, while being overly critical of a program that is clearly focused on terrorism.

During wartime - there have been some tough calls - some bad, some good. Roosevelt ordered the detention of Japanese-Americans on the west coast. Roosevelt permitted the military tribunals and the executions of German spies who landed in the U.S. - and 1 of those spies was an American citizen. (No Constitutional protections for the spy.) Roosevelt (and Lincoln, during the Civil War) suspended the right of Habeas Corpus. The list is much longer than what Pres. Bush is even allged to have done - so yes, comparisons can be made.

Mike


33 posted on 06/24/2007 8:38:26 AM PDT by Vineyard
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