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To: tantiboh

Sorry Tant, I don’t get your answer.

If I understand what you are saying...

As long as you are striving to be obedient
when you die, then you are 100% sure
that you will go to be in the presence of
God??

Consequently, if you are not striving to be
obedient, you will not go to be in the presence
of God??

If I have not accurately stated your belief,
I apologize in advance. And if I did, would
you kindly correct it?

“The reason is that good works (obedience to Christ’s teachings) are a means to faith; faith is the principle that saves. Remove good works, remove faith. Remove faith, remove salvation.”

If I’m hearing you right, you are not 100% sure until you
take your last breath? And do you have to be married
in the Temple and all that to spend eternity in
the presence of God?

best,
ampu


1,541 posted on 06/30/2007 1:55:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

~”If I understand what you are saying...”~

Your subsequent two paragraphs are a fair representation of what we believe, as I understand the doctrine.

~”If I’m hearing you right, you are not 100% sure until you
take your last breath?”~

I suppose that’s technically true; Judas was one such example.

In practical reality, though, I think a person who has developed the faith is genuinely striving to obey usually is not going to change their mind and rebel and fall away from their faith. Still, they have their agency, and that decision is open to them. A few have made that decision.

~”And do you have to be married in the Temple and all that to spend eternity in the presence of God?”~

No. This goes a bit deeper into LDS doctrine, which I’m happy to go into with you if you are interested; but, put simply, the only ordinances required to return to live with God are baptism and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. These must be done through the actual authority of God, which we believe has been restored in the Priesthood of the LDS Church.


1,549 posted on 06/30/2007 2:16:59 PM PDT by tantiboh
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