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To: tantiboh
See Romans 3:27 concerning works v fiath ... and please quote passages in the context of the verses. You twist the scripture message to support a different notion than is being taught in the context of Matthew 10:22; gathering context from the scene, Jesus is instructing his disciples of is the trials of testimony before princes and kings under the duress to come in their witnessing of Him.
1,045 posted on 06/28/2007 10:19:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN; tantiboh
See Romans 3:27 concerning works v fiath ... and please quote passages in the context of the verses.

You twist the scripture message to support a different notion than is being taught in the context of Matthew 10:22;

gathering context from the scene, Jesus is instructing his disciples of is the trials of testimony before princes and kings under the duress to come in their witnessing of Him.

Mark 13 ()

7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

9 ¶ But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

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D&C 53 (Something we are taught when reading scriptures is to insert your name because all scripture pertain to his children)

1 Behold, I say unto you, my servant Sidney Gilbert,MHGinTN that I have heard your prayers; and you have called upon me that it should be made known unto you, of the Lord your God, concerning your calling and election in the church, which I, the Lord, have raised up in these last days.

2 Behold, I, the Lord, who was crucified for the sins of the world, give unto you a commandment that you shall forsake the world.

3 Take upon you mine ordination, even that of an elder, to preach faith and repentance and remission of sins, according to my word, and the reception of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands;

4 And also to be an agent unto this church in the place which shall be appointed by the bishop, according to commandments which shall be given hereafter.

5 And again, verily I say unto you, you shall take your journey with my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon.

6 Behold, these are the first ordinances which you shall receive; and the residue shall be made known in a time to come, according to your labor in my vineyard.

7 And again, I would that ye should learn that he only is saved who endureth unto the end. Even so. Amen.

1,047 posted on 06/28/2007 10:51:33 PM PDT by restornu (Whatever time we have is being paid for with our life!)
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To: MHGinTN

~”See Romans 3:27 concerning works v fiath...”~

It’s a great verse, and full of truth. What we seem to disagree on is that I equate faith with works - I propose that you cannot have one without the other. Therefore, the two verses are not contradictory. Faith is necessary, as the scriptures state. Works are necessary, as the scriptures state. The two are joined - one leads to the other.

~”You twist the scripture message to support a different notion than is being taught in the context of Matthew 10:22...”~

You missed the point. My point was that agency continues beyond acceptance of Christ, and that a person can, indeed, fall away, and Christ will not violate that choice. My point was not about faith vs. works.

To be frank, the “you twist the scriptures” accusation is getting worn, particularly when those who accuse me of such proclaim innocence in the face of their ignoring scriptures that appear to invalidate their own position.

I do not twist the scriptures. I apply my own perspective; and that leads to a perfectly reasonable, albeit different, interpretation than your own. I am being no more intellectually dishonest than you - and you are not known for that particular weakness. My embracing of a different perspective is not a sign of said dishonesty. It is a sign of honest disagreement.


1,089 posted on 06/29/2007 6:38:33 AM PDT by tantiboh (...if...this work be of men, it will come to nought; But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it...)
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