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To: Alamo-Girl; Coyoteman

Excellent post, A-G. Rather than information, I’m still more interested in the definition of “life” itself. It strikes me as cart-before-horse to conclude that anything can come up with “life” until we define what life is.

So far as this article is concerned, it strikes me that any field should teach it’s weaknesses. I also think it should teach its major opposition.

JMHO.

Have a blessed day, sister, and may the Father of All guide your path and your thoughts this day through His Spirit in the truth of His Son, the Logos of the universe.


472 posted on 07/02/2007 7:51:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; Coyoteman; betty boop; .30Carbine; hosepipe
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights!

Rather than information, I’m still more interested in the definition of “life” itself. It strikes me as cart-before-horse to conclude that anything can come up with “life” until we define what life is.

I very, very strongly agree with you, dear brother in Christ!

My bias to information in the abiogenesis/biogenesis inquiry is because I have personally concluded that the difference between life v non-life/death in nature is information. Information is the action (successful communication) not the message (DNA, tRNA).

When a thing (whether an individual cell, function or organism) - is successfully communicating in nature, it is alive. When it ceases to communicate, it is dead. If it never could communicate, it is non-life.

The Shannon model accommodates all the bizarre forms, e.g. bacterial spores, viruses, viroids, prions, mimiviruses - either as autonomous messages, non-autonomous broadcast messages or noise.

The Miller/Urey experiments got no further than creating amino acids. Then again, they didn't know about the information side of life. Wimmer, on the other hand, who bootstrapped the polio virus in a lab - was successful because he began with the existing message itself.

Of course, we Christians realize that information will trace back to the Logos, the Living Word of God. But science, IMHO, should continue its pursuit - looking for a source of information in the universe. It is after all in the business of physical causation.

So far as this article is concerned, it strikes me that any field should teach it’s weaknesses. I also think it should teach its major opposition.

Indeed, it is good for students to understand the opportunities for future research and to weigh whatever they are being taught.

May God ever bless you, dear xzins!

475 posted on 07/02/2007 8:29:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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