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To: Texas Songwriter; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; Diamond; cornelis; metmom
My only point was that Teilhard de Chardin, in his own words and in his writings and in his public persona never shyed away from the idea of the entire natural realm being God, not God's creation. This as you know is contrary to scripture.

Good morning, Texas Songwriter!

I find all this rather surprising. I'm not aware of any public statements by Chardin that expressly declare this understanding. But then, I'm not a Chardin expert.

What I do know is that Chardin was a Jesuit priest and world-class paleontologist who, while working in China, participated in the discovery of Peking man. He was an evolutionist, but not a Darwinian. I gather the evolution that interested him was the cosmic evolution, culminating in a sort of "apotheosis" of consciousness (cosmic consciousness, not divine consciousness) at something he called the Omega Point. I never interpreted the Omega Point as referring to God's consciousness, which is not subject to evolution, being already perfect and eternal.

If indeed Chardin is a pantheist, I find it curious that Wolfhart Pannenberg -- an ordained Lutheran minister and Professor of Systematic Theology at the University of Munich -- could devote an entire chapter to Chardin's thought in his excellent book, Toward a Theology of Nature, without once mentioning it.

One of Pannenberg's many interesting observations in this work is that the famous mathematician/philosopher Leibniz "accused" Isaac Newton of being a "pantheist," because of the latter's speculation about the existence of a sensorium Dei -- seemingly a sort of field-like "structure" by which the "Lord of Life [is] with His creatures" in a physical, not spiritual sense. The distinction between Lord and creation is completely maintained in this concept; and so I think Leibniz's charge of "pantheist!" does not hold water....

So perhaps what we have here is yet another example of the famous "observer problem": You evidently see something that I cannot confirm by my own observations. That's not to say I think you're "wrong"; it's only simply to say that I do not see it. I'd welcome further information.

Thank you so much for writing, Texas Songwriter!

1,517 posted on 07/23/2007 7:12:50 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop; Texas Songwriter
Yes, Chardin's theology has come under criticism. Gilson wasn't very happy with him at all, and said so without scruples in a letter to Henri Lubac. Letters of Etienne Gilson to Henri De Lubac (Ignatius).
1,529 posted on 07/23/2007 10:53:05 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: betty boop
What a fascinating and informative sidebar on Teilhard de Chardin! Thanks to everyone participating!
1,549 posted on 07/24/2007 9:35:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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