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Serving America's 'Muslim Army".
BBC ^ | Saturday, 23 June 2007 | bbc

Posted on 06/23/2007 11:39:01 AM PDT by rogernz

Serving America's 'Muslim army' Arab-Americans have been fighting in Iraq since the very beginning of the conflict there. Many simply see it as their duty to serve their homeland, America. Others who have ended up on the frontlines in the so-called "war on terror" have suffered a crisis of conscience, having had to fight fellow Arabs and Muslims as the "enemy".

Three Arab-American marines tell their stories.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cannotbetrusted; donttrustthem; islam; islamicimperialism; islamiclaw; loyalty; muslim; usarmy
them having a 'crisis of conscience' doesn't sound too good...
1 posted on 06/23/2007 11:39:02 AM PDT by rogernz
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To: rogernz
More left-wing, pro-Muslim propaganda from the BBC, which was toatlly discredited last week. Actually, the beeb discredited itself.

See: http://newsbusters.org/node/13530

2 posted on 06/23/2007 11:45:57 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: rogernz

Loyal American Soldiers who are Muslim have my full respect. God Bless them.

But I am appalled by the label American “Muslim Army”. That’s the last thing the US Armed Forces are. There is either the US Army or no army at all.

However I suspect this is rather an invention by the BBC... so no surprise.


3 posted on 06/23/2007 11:51:42 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: rogernz
Ask-Imam.com > Islamic Politics > Question 5193 from United States

Q: Is it allowed to obtain United States Citizenship so that travelling for deen becomes easier?
They require you to promise to bear arms for the country.

The oath of allegiance is as follows:
The Oath of Allegiance I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;
that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;
that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law;
that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law;
and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

If they require or ask you to bear arms against a muslim country, what should be the response. Their laws are against 4 marraige law of Islaam. Does the pledge cause any "Ilhaad" or any such anti-islamic view? Please answer according to Hanafi Fiqh.

A:

1. If your intention is solely to facilitate easier travel, you are permitted to obtain US citizenship. Although the oath of allegiance is un-Islamic in nature, it will not be treated as an 'Islamic oath'.Therefore, you are not compelled to execute the oath.

2. If you are called up to bear arms against Muslims, you are not permitted to do so by Islamic law.

3. The pledge does not constitute Ilhaad.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Muhammad Kadwa FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai


4 posted on 06/23/2007 11:53:48 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: rogernz
Others who have ended up on the frontlines in the so-called "war on terror" have suffered a crisis of conscience...

As a white man, I would have absolutely no problem beating the living sh*t out of, or even killing, if necessary, another white man who was about to harm my family. Should I have a crisis of conscience about it?

5 posted on 06/23/2007 11:53:51 AM PDT by rickmichaels (God Bless America, Land That I Love)
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To: SolidWood

Sgt. Akbar was a member of the muslim army. He launched a grenade attack against his fellow officers, killing 2 and wounding another dozen.

Muslims belong to the Nation of Islam (not Louis Fahrakhan’s MMM, but the Islamic empire) and pledge loyalty to it and muslims above all other peoples. They bow to the segregated city of Mecca five times every day and yet never speak out against the discimination against non-muslims. Jews cannot enter the country of Saudi Arabia. Non-muslims cannot practice their faiths there. Non-muslims are prohibited from entering the cities of Mecca and Medina under penalty of death. Muslims are probited from converting away from the faith under penalty of death. Non-muslims are second class citizens with fewer rights and protections under Islamic law. Kufir (non-muslims) seized in jihad (holy war) must be brought back to “Islamic territory” before they are divided up.

It is a totalitarian system of rule. It is not a racial identity. Arabs, Indonesians, etc. who convert away from Islam are even more reviled than that kufir who are “upsetting” the Islamic supremacists who demand that we leave “muslim lands” (ladns such as Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Kosovo, Indonesia, Spain, Michigan...).


6 posted on 06/23/2007 12:00:30 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: rogernz

It’s all beeb crap. German-Americans and Japanese-Americans killed German and Japanese enemy during WWII, religions included. If you want to see what good Germans can do to bad Germans check out a guy named Eisenhower.


7 posted on 06/23/2007 12:08:32 PM PDT by Nucluside (Cultural Relativism is a lie; Western culture IS superior)
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To: rogernz

Thanks, BBC. Meanwhile your British Muslim Army is trying to blow up London.


8 posted on 06/23/2007 12:08:49 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Nucluside

BTW, why don’t we just nuc Medina and Mecca and call it checkmate?


9 posted on 06/23/2007 12:15:17 PM PDT by Nucluside (Cultural Relativism is a lie; Western culture IS superior)
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To: SolidWood
I’ve several Muslim or west Asian soldiers as clients. One was an American/Muslim, a fine looking young man. The other was obviously a recent immigre. I helped both with their language tests to become qualified to be translators. Liked them both, but ... somewhere deep down, you wonder.
10 posted on 06/23/2007 12:50:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach
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To: rogernz

I was surprised to read there are over 10,000 muslims serving in US forces. Does anyone know if they get special privelidges for prayer, halal food etc?

There are 350 muslims in the UK forces and as far as I have been told, they get no different treatment.


13 posted on 06/23/2007 1:39:56 PM PDT by britemp
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To: 3AngelaD

‘More left-wing, pro-Muslim propaganda from the BBC, which was toatlly discredited last week. Actually, the beeb discredited itself.’

The BBC has admitted it’s bias because it is pubicly accountable and had no choice. Just because other news providers aren’t publicly accountable doesn’t mean they are not biased! :)


14 posted on 06/23/2007 1:41:58 PM PDT by britemp
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To: Nucluside

In a different theatre, an admiral named Nimitz, who came out of the hill country of Texas.


16 posted on 06/23/2007 1:46:21 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHOa)
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To: weegee
If you are called up to bear arms against Muslims, you are not permitted to do so by Islamic law.

Guess that condemns 3/4 of the Islamic world to hell for slitting their own brothers throats!

17 posted on 06/23/2007 1:53:53 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Minutemen

you gotta point, there.


18 posted on 06/23/2007 1:59:36 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: chicomyman

‘why should they get any special tratment?’

I’ve no idea why, but they appear to. Nice of the Pentagon to celebrate ramadan with them and build mosques inside US bases:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=42671


19 posted on 06/23/2007 2:02:08 PM PDT by britemp
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To: RobbyS

Roger.


20 posted on 06/25/2007 10:39:10 AM PDT by Nucluside (Cultural Relativism is a lie; Western culture IS superior)
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