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This snot-nosed phony priest still has faith in the congressional rats.
1 posted on 06/22/2007 10:15:53 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Mayor Michael Bloomberg are both liberal Democrats who masqueraded as Republicans

Bush has made such a mess

(snot-nosed phony priest still)


2 posted on 06/22/2007 10:25:05 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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Sen. Hillary Clinton is a real Democrat

I stopped reading here..

3 posted on 06/22/2007 10:25:16 AM PDT by cardinal4
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When Bush announced the war on terror he did say it would last 10 years or more. At which time I realized was longer than his remaining term and that therefore victory was at risk in case a Democrat was elected.


4 posted on 06/22/2007 10:26:10 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Chi-townChief
There is also a moral issue.

That's a laugh line when it comes from a liberal.

5 posted on 06/22/2007 10:27:19 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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It will fail, but not for the reasons this jerk hopes it will.

The truth is that the only way any ‘nation’ in the Middle East will ever find it’s way to democracy and decency is when someone who’s determined to do it wipes the desert floor with them and reduces them to despicable wretches subsisting on grubs, insects and puddle water, and makes a practical demonstration that their current culture, religious belief, political and economic system, etc, is INHERENTLY BANKRUPT AND INCAPABLE OF SUCCESS.

The ONLY way to do that is to wage a campaign of toal war, complete annhiliation, from the first day that hostilities are commenced. The enemy must lose all hope in anything that he is familiar with and made desperate enough to eagerly, and willingly, accept any alternative offered to him.

This administration did not do so, and therefore, anything it does afterwards will fail (if only because a return to ture war now will only serve to constitute a public-realtions disaster for this administration, and will be a tacit admission of failure). The need to be seen as the guy in the white hat in this “war” has handcuffed us from day one.

If you wish to fight a “war” on anything, then it behooves you to remember what war truly is, and what it entails.


6 posted on 06/22/2007 10:29:56 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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Andrew Greeley: Smug ignorance admiring itself in the mirror.


7 posted on 06/22/2007 10:30:49 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Plan B will involve "a draw-down" of troops before next year's elections, the concentration of American forces in "forts" (a string of Fort Apaches?), and preparations for a "long war" like the one in Korea. Americans would no longer attempt to police Baghdad, and there would be fewer casualties. If Plan B is a "success," Bush can stumble out of office in a year and a half with another "mission accomplished" and the claim that he had won a victory in the "war on terror."

Why go to Plan B when the surge is working perfectly...violence in Al Anbar has quelled to a slow drip and Bahgdad is around 65 percent free of terror. The problem is that (thanks to the incompetence of Don Rumsfeld) the surge wasn't enacted soon enough and requires time (i.e no one should expect a kettle of cold water to immediately boil). The sad fact is that Bush (again thanks to Dumbsfeld who, IMO, ought to be imprisoned in Gitmo for his mismanagement of the war) is now being tarred with the former plan rather than the newer one.

8 posted on 06/22/2007 10:30:54 AM PDT by meandog (Bush--proving himself again and again to be the best friend the Dems have EVER had!)
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Of course it will "fail". The real problem at root here is that success/victory in warfare has been re-defined by the Western intelligentsia sometime in the past 30-40 years. Under the new definition, it is impossible for a Western country - especially the United States - ever to win/succeed in a war.

This whole article exists because Greeley has heard tell of a planned change which, he fears, Bush or the "Neocons" or someone might be able to paint as success/victory. He therefore wrote this article to help shore up the new (impossible) definition of success/victory in warfare to make sure that the United States still can't do it. He also wants to remind Democrats in Congress to do their part ("Democrats in Congress will tear it to shreds") and continue to stick to the definition of success/victory according to which the United States can't possibly do it. (Shoring up this definition requires constant effort and maintenance)

This is all a rhetorical battle at this point. In reality, the United States actually won "The Iraq War" (tm/2003) in 2003. What's going on now is merely a battle over the verbal definition of winning/success. And the lefty intelligentsia has basically won that battle because even most conservatives don't realize we won "The Iraq War".

So, like I said, Greeley is right.

9 posted on 06/22/2007 10:36:31 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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"blah..blah..blah...neocon...blah...blah...neocons...."

Pile this stack of fertilizer next to that pile of mulch.

18 posted on 06/22/2007 11:36:36 AM PDT by windsorknot
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“Bush’s” plan on Iraq has all ready mostly succeeded. Gone about as well as anything ever does in war.

It just the liars in the “News” media will never ever admit they have been wrong about Iraq from the start. No matter what happens, they will keep practising the “Big Lie” propaganda tactics until they can claim “they were right about Iraq”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iraq


19 posted on 06/22/2007 11:41:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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I have read (what seems like) an endless number of columns just like this one, and what strikes me is that every single one of them now sounds exactly the same. Same words, same sneers, same slurs, same shallow "aren't-I-clever?" musings as divorced from reality as Charlie Manson's daydreams.

Bereft of ideas and incapable of self-doubt, leftist commentators such as Mr. Greeley mistake their own vanity for sincerity, and promote their childish hatreds as though they were brilliant insights. And I'm sick of reading them.

22 posted on 06/22/2007 12:00:03 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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Ask libs if they want the surge to work or not. Their answers are very telling.


24 posted on 06/22/2007 12:47:34 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (Solidarity Iran)
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Factless and Clueless, the Leftist Democrat Party allies it self with scribbliers like this that tell us what we think for us, and ignore the actual events that will determine our real future. The facts are that the concentrated attacks on Al Qaida strongholds in Bacquba and the Baghdad environs are working, and killing more and more terrorists. Success to this man equals “draw down” or retreat, defeat to anyone sane.
26 posted on 06/22/2007 1:39:28 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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You know this pathetic need of yours to ignore all factual reality on Iraq to cling to your failed Know Nothing political dogmas is getting really tiresome.

The Surge is working, contrary to your ignorant ranting, because Rummy IGNORED you and your good buddy John McCain and did NOT “Americanize” the war in 2004. He hung tough in the face of your sort of xenophobic ignorance and bigotry and insisted that the Iraqis be forced to step up to the plate.

Where Rummy failed was in thinking he could hold off the DC Idiot’s choir long enough for the Iraqis to develop their military/security forces. Unfortunately he failed. The strength of the Domga Uber Alles crowd in DC was too strong. So we pulled this PR stunt. We “Surged”

You know what the “Surge” does? Of course not, cause you would have to actually finally learn something instead of just chant your ignorant slogans. The Surge takes an Iraqi brigade, and tags an American battalion on to it as a training force.

See it takes time to develop junior leaders and NCOS. And because of the idiot choir of Know Nothings on the Right and Surrender Now Appeasement Monkeys on the Left in DC, we are trying to force grow those leaders in a short term cycle.We are giving them Americans to service next to them as an example on how to do it right.

As every American officer in Iraq keeps pointing out to you idiots. Our forces are backstopping the Iraqis. WE are not in the lead now .

The reason the Iraqis have the forces to TAKE the lead is because Rummy ignored the idiot choir in DC ranting about “boots and on the ground” and refused to Americanize the war from the start.

So the reason things are going so well is NOT because “We surged” but because we finally got the numbers of Iraqis trained and ready to take the field in the lead. When it was an “Americanized” war in Anbar, we were LOSING because NONE of the natives would work with us. So we were getting shot at from all sides. NOW, with the Iraqis taking the lead, as even YOU admit, that whole dynamic has changed over the last year. Why? Because the locals will work with the Iraqis against Al Qeda. They would NOT work with us.

So rather then cling to your 1950s era political dogmas, TRY finally learning some FACTS about Iraq.

27 posted on 06/22/2007 1:41:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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Care to try to explain to me why, if it all about the Americans on the ground as part of “The Surge” and despite the 10s of thousands of solider deployed according to the “US News” media, we have taken exactly one US casualty in the battle of Baqouba?
28 posted on 06/22/2007 1:58:37 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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