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To: ZULU

Good points.

One wonders how a guy who lost such disastrous wars still managed to get back into power.

I can understand making a successful general dictator, but a guy who manages to lose half the country to invaders?


18 posted on 06/22/2007 8:34:43 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Diversity in theory is the enemy of diversity in practice.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The same problem with Mexico today - massive corruption, power concentrated in the hands of a limited Euro-Hispanic power elite who also monopolizes most of the wealth, and masses of the Indian and mixed race majority living in ignorance and abject poverty.

Is it any wonder socialism and communism would flourish in such an environment?

We are indeed fortunate in Anglo-America. A true aristocracy of wealth never developed here - so far. The British government encouraged mass immigration from all parts of the British isles and even encouraged and actively recruited immigrants from other parts of Europe to come here . This created a large middle class and historic opportunities for wealth for the common man. For some reason the British aristocrats never moved here in any great numbers.

Contrary circumstances in South and Central America resulted in the kind of mess that is now threatening the integrity of our own borders.

Perhaps we should consider an invasion of Mexico, removal of the ruling elites from power, redistribution of land and money there, and education of the masses as real solutions to our southern border problems.

21 posted on 06/22/2007 9:57:06 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Sherman Logan

There are several reasons.

First, the areas he lost were exceedingly marginal, vast though they were they had tiny populations and negligible immediate economic significance.

Second, his successes (or well-publicized heroism) occurred in or near the heart of the Mexican population, during the war against Spain and against Spanish and French invasions, in places like Vera Cruz and Tampico. He was also very effective at putting down rebellions (save one, naturally). It was his military specialty, and he was very successful at it, repeatedly over twenty years. It is usually forgotten that the Texan revolution came as part of a general rebellion of much of provincial Mexico, which he put down.

Third, he was an exceptional personality, a politician of magnetism and great ability, exploiting a chronically chaotic situation.

Fourth, Mexico’s other leadership options were, in general, no better. Santa Ana was not the only military dictator and coup plotter in the picture. Mexico was overrun with men like him.

Fifth, he was perhaps unique in having a reputation as a sort of Mexican Cincinnatus, as he was several times called upon to take over when Mexico was in difficulty, and he did in fact repeatedly voluntarily (and several times not-so-voluntarily) renounce power once the emergency of the day was over.


23 posted on 06/22/2007 10:30:36 AM PDT by buwaya
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