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What the NRA says about Fred
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Posted on 06/21/2007 9:51:38 AM PDT by Robbin

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To: DieselHoplite
He didn’t call for the repeal of it as Romney did but I think he now says he is against some parts that limit political ads in the final weeks of the campaign.

If Romney got his way and McCain-Feingold were repealed, then individual hard money donation limits would revert back to $1000 or less. Because of Thompson's amendment to McCain-Feingold, allowable donations increased to $2300 per person.

Thompson is right -- the bad parts of McCain-Feingold should be thrown out, but the donation limit should be preserved.

41 posted on 06/21/2007 12:09:02 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Robbin

Do you know if Fred has written about his views on stem cell research? Would like to read what he has said about it. Thanks! I’m with Fred!


42 posted on 06/21/2007 12:10:59 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: DieselHoplite
“He mentioned that he might be in favor of allowing unlimited contribution”

You know this it the part I find hard to believe. He fought for those caps. The caps in the final bill that was passed were the result of a compromise between him and feinstein. I wouldn’t be surprised if he called for the repeal of everything else but keeping the caps.

This is misleading at best, and at worst is a lie. The caps already existed -- Thompson fought to increase them as much as possible. He got Feinstein to agree to increase the limits and index them to inflation -- he stated that he would have liked to see the limits increased more.

43 posted on 06/21/2007 12:17:01 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Publius Valerius
Other Officers are political, however, and their political views should be fair game, so far as I’m concerned.

Heaven forbid a President's political appointees have political views that match the President's!

Elections have consequences. Presidents are entitled to their nominees, barring legitimate questions about their qualifications.

44 posted on 06/21/2007 12:18:16 PM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: seekthetruth
On stem cell research, I’m for adult stem cell research not stem cell research where embryos of unborn children are destroyed. It looks to me like there is a lot of promising developments as far as adult stem cell research is concerned anyway and we don’t need to go down that other road.

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45 posted on 06/21/2007 12:21:17 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: DieselHoplite

According to GOA he voted pro-gun 19 times and anti-gun 14 times... that’s about as middle of the road as you can get don’t you think?


First, even if Fred were as bad as the GOA dishonestly asserts, he’s still a heck of a lot better than any other contender on guns. He UNDERSTANDS that gun control is about authoritarianism (see my link above).

Second, I have been a big GOA supporter, gun-rights extremist who is not afraid occasionally to call the NRA the biggest gun-control organization in the nation. But much of this GOA stuff is utter crap. And maybe Fred did cast a vote I disagree with (I’ll need confirmation other than from GOA, thank you, to understand the context without their inflammatory, dishonest terminology, thank you.) But I don’t expect my preferred candidate to be perfect. I expect him to be the best available. And Fred is BY FAR the best. ESPECIALLY on gun rights.

Now, go read what Fred REALLY thinks about gun control, and then get back to me:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1820535/posts?page=75#75


46 posted on 06/21/2007 12:23:00 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: seekthetruth
Here is a video regarding embryonic stem cell research.
47 posted on 06/21/2007 12:24:43 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Publius Valerius

Seriously, what’s your beef?


My beef is pretending that everything under the sun GOA doesn’t like is a gun-control issue.

They should stick to guns. And if they take a stand on other issues, they should be clear about it. (CFR wasn’t anti-gun in any respect, no matter how bad it was.)


48 posted on 06/21/2007 12:25:35 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: ellery

Watch the video I posted before. He talks about the need to limit contributions. I thought you were in favor of that. I don’t know what’s your problem with what I wrote. I can post links about his compromise with Feinstein that resulted in the caps we have today if you want.


49 posted on 06/21/2007 12:26:31 PM PDT by DieselHoplite
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To: kevkrom
Elections have consequences. Presidents are entitled to their nominees, barring legitimate questions about their qualifications.

I simply disagree. There is a reason why the Senate has to confirm nominees. I think voting for a surgeon general who was on record as wanting to ban (or significantly limit) gun sales can legitimately be characterized as an anti-gun vote.

I understand your position; I just disagree. It's a political position. Politics are fair game.

50 posted on 06/21/2007 12:28:20 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Robbin

That’s good to know! Thanks for posting this information.


51 posted on 06/21/2007 12:28:52 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Publius Valerius

When Clinton’s surgeon general was on record claiming that guns should be banned or restricted as a public health risk, I think it’s fair to characterize a confirmation vote as an “anti-gun” vote.


Actually, the GOA rated only Fred’s vote to end a filibuster, and to send it to a vote. Oddly they do not rate his actual up-down vote on the nominee.

Still trust the GOA?


52 posted on 06/21/2007 12:29:31 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: DieselHoplite

You know this it the part I find hard to believe. He fought for those caps. The caps in the final bill that was passed were the result of a compromise between him and feinstein. I wouldn’t be surprised if he called for the repeal of everything else but keeping the caps.


My understanding is that Fred fought to lift the caps, against McCain’s wishes. That sounds anti-cap, and (imperfectly) pro-freedom to me.


53 posted on 06/21/2007 12:31:39 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: Beelzebubba

I think the GOA can fairly criticize the CFR because it limits the GOA’s ability to lobby for or against candidates. That’s fair; if you restrict the GOA’s ability to inform the public about anti-gun candidates, I can understand why the GOA considers it an anti-gun vote. It’s on the fringe, but I understand.

But even assuming, arguendo, that CFR is entirely irrelevant to the GOA, it’s one issue of many that were detailed on the website. Again, I think the GOA’s website fairly laid out the information. It’s all there for anyone to review and come to their own conclusion. That’s all you can ask.


54 posted on 06/21/2007 12:37:24 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Beelzebubba

Sure, that was the vote that mattered.


55 posted on 06/21/2007 12:39:15 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius

I think the GOA can fairly criticize the CFR because it limits the GOA’s ability to lobby for or against candidates. That’s fair; if you restrict the GOA’s ability to inform the public about anti-gun candidates, I can understand why the GOA considers it an anti-gun vote. It’s on the fringe, but I understand.

But even assuming, arguendo, that CFR is entirely irrelevant to the GOA, it’s one issue of many that were detailed on the website. Again, I think the GOA’s website fairly laid out the information. It’s all there for anyone to review and come to their own conclusion.


And the conclusion is that most of the “anti-gun” votes aren’t anti-gun. I have read it, and concluded that GOA is being dishonest.

CFR is anti-gun-control if you ask the Brady crowd, too.


56 posted on 06/21/2007 12:39:31 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: Beelzebubba

I further note that the GOA made all of that clear in its footnotes. As I said before, it’s not playing “hide the ball.”


57 posted on 06/21/2007 12:40:30 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Reaganesque
Mr. Hunter is fine with me but they had the nicest things to say about Mr. Paul. That tells me a lot about the GOA.

Paul has a perfect pro-2nd Amendment record. Why is it so strange that the GOA likes him? I would be shocked if the NRA doesn't love him too.

58 posted on 06/21/2007 12:43:26 PM PDT by jmc813 (www.imwithfred.com - DONATE!)
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To: Beelzebubba

no, that’s not anti cap. What happened was that thompson was pushing for higher limits to get other republicans on board but the dems were against it and from that originated the Thompson-Feinstein compromise that allowed the bill to be passed. Just google for Thompson-Feinstein compromise and you’ll see.


59 posted on 06/21/2007 12:43:37 PM PDT by DieselHoplite
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To: Publius Valerius
This isn't playing "hide the ball"???

Really Incendiary Headline

Additional incendiary and/or misleading text, over-emphasizing one part of a large complex bill that has at best a tangential relationship to the organization's main business.1

1 More details about the bill that actually show what a huge stretch the above statements are.

60 posted on 06/21/2007 12:44:40 PM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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