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Posted on 06/21/2007 7:37:25 AM PDT by SShultz460
Did I get that right, LS? Please correct us slower readers.
Carriers take weeks to get anywhere, (and can’t do so stealthily) unlike aircraft, which launched stateside or from our overseas bases, and refueled on the way can get anywhere in the world in just a few hours.
The vast majority of ordinance dropped in Iraq and the Gulf war was from land-based aircraft. Why? One cannot launch bombers of any size (or planes with 2000 lb. bombs) from carriers. Real airpower is still done through bombers, supported by fighters and tankers; serious air warfare needs land based aircraft, period. Carriers also are enormous sitting ducks—no matter how huge the fleet protecting them.
I really think with modern precision weapons—the era of the carrier, like that of the battleship, is passed. Just a few strategically placed aircraft bases are far more secure—and even less expensive—not to mention more effective.
But even worse, you are either shading the truth or unable to grasp it, stainless. Here's the post (yes, I know you linked to it, but I just want to put it here):
Don’t be ridiculous. Guess we could say the same thing of General (traitor) Lee. See how silly that gets, quick? Kyl is a great American and has been a terrific senator.
The fact that LS says it is silly to use the word traitor seems to be missed by you. In fact, his statement could be rephrased as "It's as silly to call Kyl a traitor as it would be to call Robert E. Lee a traitor and wish he'd been hanged after Appomattox."
LS, sorry about that. Didn't mean to bait anklebiters from the Lost Cause caucus.
General Lee’s (removes hat) submarine sank. So much for the idea of a submarine only force
No, and I say that as a hardcore strategic airpower advocate and former SAC crew chief. Fixed bases are vulnerable just in the fact that they are fixed. There were planners who expected our bases in West Germany to be toast under a shower of short range missiles with conventional warheads in the first hours of WWIII in Europe. The same thing could happen to any land bases outside the American homeland. Good missile defense can cure this, but then, the same technology could protect the carriers just as well, and you have to find the carrier first.
Seriously though, my biggest objection to the sub only force is that you need a pretty big sub to carry a Marine Expeditionary Unit. :-)
Drink that kool-aid, fanboy.
Here's a new verse of Dixie that relates to you and other FR Lost Cause anklebiters:
For a few poor souls in the Land of Cotton
Historical fact is plum forgotten
Drink Kool-aid, drink Kool-Aid
For a fake Dixieland.
Then I can only suggest that you do your best to be as cool as I was then. Don't let the doot hit you on the butt on the way out...I hate to see buttprints on a perfectly good door.
LOL. My great grandfather, a German immigrant, fought for the Union during the Civil War, and according to family lore, felt no great personal animosity towards the men who shot at him. None of his descendants were instilled with a bitter hatred of all things Southern. And me? I served with a whole slew of Southern boys who, like me, had a family tradition of military service, and I remain friends with several of my rebel buddies 25 years later. Yet the Lost Cause caucus, as you call them, just can’t let it go. The truth is Lincoln out-thought and out-fought the lot of them—Lee and Davis and Jackson and all the rest. A good thing, too, and so pathetically bizarre those CSA lovers still—to this day—go on about ‘the war of Northern Aggression’.
Was Lee a traitor? Given the tenor of the times, the loyalties involved, I (personally) would have to say no, and the same would hold true for all of the CSA’s leadership. They were, for the most part, men guided by firm principle and iron conviction. No, the traitors were the copperheads, Southern supporters in the Northern states too chicken to actually fight for the Cause they so vociferously espoused, along with quisling, peace-at-any-price politicians like Valandingham. Had I lived in those times, I would’ve advocated hanging them all. Suspension of habeas corpus would’ve been the least of their worries.
Most of those cheap missiles will be jammed and drop like flies before they reach a close range. The ones that survive electronic countermeasures get hit with another missile, or a wall of tungsten hail. Oh yeah, the carriers can easily out run the destroyers and leave them behind if they need to. If they have to they can run 40+ knots all day.
China’s wet dream is to take out our satellites and try to hit our forces blind with nukes and overwhelming force. They need a prayer to be able to knock out our ability to track their missiles.
bttt
Good post. Thanks for your service, when and which service?
bttt
19NOV80-19NOV84, SGT/E-5, 11B2P, Weapons Squad, 1st Platoon, B Company, 1/508th Battalion (INF), 3rd Brigade, 82nd Division (ABN).
No sky too high, no blast too fast, you call we fall.
just for the record, my beef with Neo-Yankees here is that they join the same bandwagon as the NAACP or Morris Dees in trying to demonize the South for the Civil War and slavery. it appears to me that they are the ones trying to refight the war or perhaps more accurately Reconstruction specifically
i for one am tired of seeing my history down here being supplanted with their idea of what it should be...no regional pride flags, no courthouse monuments to my dead kin, no plaques like George Bush took down, no schools named after Southerners, basically the South presented in their image....Reconstruction 150 years later.
I am opposed to that and have been since it started up around 20 years ago with a coalition of northern liberals and local black agitators and John Edwards types using this to enrich their coffers. that folks who call themselves conservative play along is the real depressing fact, not that some southerners like to go on about Lincoln’s excesses.
I do find discussing that period of history interesting and many southerners are more likely to be more supportive of why the South fought and to think differently of why our kinfolk fought. You have to remember many of us were born and raised on land our families had for generations precisely where these battles were fought. I for one dug for artifacts as a boy on the Jackson-Clinton road with my dad on our land....found stuff too. Everywhere you turn, there is more to remind ya. My land has redoubts still at the top near Shy’s Hill. To Northerners...most of whom came after the war, this is a distant history thing, for us down here, we are living in the middle of it...the memories, the peoples and the ramifications. You guys are not except at Gettysburg for the most part.
Why we would resist that history we live with daily and our ancestors died as a part of being retold by outsiders who reject us should not surprise you. I would not respect anyone from anywhere who would allow their traditions trampled as such.
That does not mean anyone but the most unusual are calling for secession today.
For the opportunists, their allegiance is to money and power. They have no country.
God bless the men in blue and the men in butternut and gray.
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