Posted on 06/20/2007 4:12:14 PM PDT by LibWhacker
There’s something there. It’s just not as described in the literature. Information is not lost.
What's fun is when they start talking about creating an entire universe in the lab, one that is just as large as ours, has just as much matter in it, and one that will hyper-expand just as rapidly ours. But don't worry. It won't hurt us. It'll make its own space as it goes through its Big Bang period and not intrude into ours.
NOT GUILTY!!
Oops... Wrong thread.
My bad.
WHICH FORMS FROM!!!
i give :-(
Actually, no observer would survive long enough to find out. Tidal forces would rip them to pieces long before they reached the event horizon.
Quite fascinating. Thank you for the link. We live our normal lives in a very narrow range of physical magnitudes.
My brain hurts. The bit in quantum physics about observations being effected by the fact of observation gives me the willies. Going back to pondering why any Republicans would support this amnesty bill.
Tidal effects would be lethal long before getting to the event horizon. Assuming The invention of gravity opaque paint (I think H.G. Wells originally came up with the idea) and you survived the tidal forces, you would perceive yourself falling headlong towards the black hole. If somebody 10 billion years from now could retrieve you, you would perceive them pulling you out in the nick of time.
Very similar to the speed of light. If you could constantly accelerate at one gravity, you would eventually percieve that you were traveling faster than the speed of light but outside observers would see us as slowly approaching the speed of light but never reaching it. From the perspective of a photon, it is emitted from a star and instantly appears at it’s destination but from our perspective, they can take billions of years to reach us.
They are trying to say, a point singularity cannot form. The collapsing matter will form something that from our perspective is a black hole but in reality is something different.
The object will be terribly dense but over the course of eternity will never form the classic singularity.
Another question...how do photons “travel” then do they pass through some sort of “subspace” or another dimension to get to it’s destination?
there is no such thing as “time” in and of itself. “time” is delta kinetic energy. Don’t think so? Demonstrate a time event that is NOT a kinetic energy event.
I’d certainly never argue time with someone named timer. ;)
Ok, I have had a few beers……… If they claim that an outside observer cannot distinguish an object passing through the event horizon because “it will never pass over”, considering the effects of quantum mechanics. Where the object takes an infinite amount of time to pass over the event horizon, why would the observer be prevented from collecting any data from it assuming the observer would not be effected by the event itself? The only other question I want an answer to is, why is a duck?, and if so, why not?
From our perspective, they would redshift to the point we could no longer measure the light.
BECAUSE!
From a newtonian stand point, it is a little massless cannon ball that plods along at the speed of light unless, it interacts with something.
From a quantum standpoint, it is something entirely different that can only really be described by mathmatical formulas.
This is really fascinating stuff that makes my head spin. Do you have any links to some sites that explain quantum physics to dummies(if it can be done)? This stuff goes way beyond my college physics and math.
BECAUSE!
The event horizon, or the duck?
I wonder how many people world wide are following a conversation about a non-event, event horizon? (another question one beer later)
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