Posted on 06/20/2007 9:05:55 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
As a born biologist with a tested and proven extremely strong aptitude for the discipline, I chose to ignore all of it, rejecting Darwinism and accepting Evolution in its etymological sense.
See, I knew what this thread needed was more good puns.
:)
Define Evidence.
Do you believe Troy was a real city? If so, why? Do you believe Jesus lived, died, and ressurected? Why? Do you believe in Anacrtica? Do you believe that men actually went to the moon? These ALL require faith to some degree.
Do you believe you exist?
OK, I bite
Science can be defined as the application of Reason to establish an understanding of what is the Universe, and how do the subunits of the Universe interact.
It cannot, by definition tell why the Universe is here, or whether it has a purpose, as those questions require an external referent; a viewpoint from outside the Universe.
Similarly, Science cannot explain Reason, because the Eye through which we see the universe, cannot see itself, except as a reflection. Reason is the basis of Science, the foundation on which it rests.
I’ve read his religious works— and there are quite a few, and he was a genius. He paid attention to detail, and he studied before he spoke. Although I agree, no man can know the exact date, we can, however get very close. Jesus said when you see the sky is red, you know a storm is coming, so we can be in the ballpark. Let’s just say I respect newton, and I’d like to see his proofs on these calculations
If the man writing are available on the subject, he's available for comment....
Something the left needs to learn in dealing with what the writers of the Constitution wrote
Totally.
“Define Evidence.”
If I can see it, kick it, spit on it, measure it, fold-spindle-or-mutilate it, if it is verified by a secondary source that meets the same criteria, if it is observable in both it’s properties and it’s behavior, then it’s evidence.
If you have to stretch logic, disobey the laws of nature , play tricks of mental gymnastics and engage in exercises in self-deception in order to give the appearance of subtance to the esoteric, then it IS NOT evidence.
“Do you believe Troy was a real city?”
Yes. The evidence, historical, literary and archelogical is umistakable; a city existed, it fits the general parameters of the city of Troy as described by Homer (amongst others). It may not have been ever called “Troy” but it has come down to us as “Troy” through time and it exists by all the virtues I listed above.
“Do you believe Jesus lived, died, and ressurected?”
I believe that a man who’s name has come down to us a Jesus of Nazareth once existed, that he was executed and then he disappears from history (apparently dead). I do not believe in the ressurection (12 years of Catholic school will do that to you), I do not believe that Jesus claimed divine lineage, and the historical and archelogical evidence available suggests that he was a revolutionary (whether politcal or religious, or both, is open to debate), not a deity.
The “evidence” for the divinity of Christ exists solely in the Bible, which is above-average factually in terms of the historical and archelogical record, but this does not prove that it is either a work divinely inspired, or that the Christ mythology is in any way, shape or form true (in fact, it’s recycled Mithras-ism, short and simple, a religion that predates Christianity by almost 1,000 years). Besides God, if she exists (has to be a She, since only a woman could create a system of belief with this many logical contradictions and STILL demand to be taken seriously) only does so because man NEEDS her to.
“Do you believe in Anacrtica?”
Yes, I’ve seen it. Have you?
“Do you believe you exist?”
Apparently I do since you took the opportunity to respond.
Something the left needs to learn in dealing with what the writers of the Constitution wrote
I agree to the point of those writings making him availble to comment on those things he wrote about. I just don't agree with characterizing someone else's speculation on how he would have answered a question such as the one posed as being the same as having him answer it.
As far as the writings of the Founders go, that is indeed something the left needs to learn. And a lot of self-proclaimed conservatives could stand a refresher, IMHO.
I believe Jesus lived, died and resurrected not because I wish it so...but because of what The Bible says. Also, I have discovered that there is more evidence to believe the Bible is a valid preserved ancient text that is in a class by itself when compared to other ancient texts. Thus, Christianity is not something that requires you to leave your brain outside of your body when practicing it.
Also, it does not require faith to know that Armstrong and Aldrin were the first men on the moon....it requires a TV.
So the article is arguing what? That a major scientist who dabbled in silliness on the side proves that the silliness isn’t silly?
What IS the point?
How convenient, you no longer have to prove your hypothesis we have to disprove it.
And your proof that creationism did not happen is?
I'll have a look at it when I get time.
I'm still dubious about the legitimacy of making broad claims about the absence of conflict between religion and science based on one man, (brilliant though he might have been) seemingly finding none between his own scientific pursuits and his own personal religions beliefs.
“How convenient, you no longer have to prove your hypothesis we have to disprove it.
And your proof that creationism did not happen is?”
Well, this is the game that Christian philosophers have played for centuries — we don’t have to prove anything, since it’s all a matter of faith (which requires no proof in any case), and just in case you still demand proof, just remember that God does not answer to man.
Since you have not had to prove your assertions with physical evidence for 2000 years, and have gotten away with it, why shouldn’t Unix be afforded the same courtesy?
About the first moon walkers: It only requires a TV. Yes, but also FAITH, that the Gumment wouldnt lie about that, and film it it in Disney Land. If its on TV and the Gumment sponsors it you KNOW YOU CAN BELIEVE IT!!
barbra ann
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