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To: js1138; tacticalogic; Stultis; stuartcr; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; hosepipe
I don't have personal knowledge of the beliefs of any particular Islamofacists, but I assume they would mirror the teachings of Islamic scholars. There are dozens of Islamic websites devoted to creationism. I am not aware of a single Islamic teacher who argues for evolution or for the legitimacy of science as a way of acquiring knowledge.

You don't have to know the specific content of their belief; one has only to look at what they do. That speaks volumes. Unless one is deaf.

Islamic teachers drill the Q'uran by rote. That is considered to be the only knowledge a man needs to have. Not for nothing did Pope Benedict XVI aver that what is lacking in Islamic belief is reason, or any appreciation for the intellect, or the life of the mind. Don't forget, all that is required of a faithful Muslim believer is submission to Allah. That's it. The mind turns out to be quite a useless thing, on that philosophy.

But you are right, there is that rare Muslim scholar who will attack evolution theory. Notably, a Turk whose name now escapes me, but who's got a dandy website: darwinism refuted. The scholarship behind the work you'll find there seems unimpeachable.

Once upon a time, the Arabs/Muslims were among the leading scholars and scientists on the planet. Alas, Wahhabism took care of that. Nowadays "Arab scholar" or "Muslim scholar" are virually oxymorons....

148 posted on 06/22/2007 10:54:52 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop; tacticalogic; Stultis; stuartcr; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; hosepipe

p.s.: The Turk I mentioned is Harun Yahya, a pen name used by Adnan Oktar, “a prominent Turkish intellectual.”


149 posted on 06/22/2007 10:58:40 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop
You don't have to know the specific content of their belief; one has only to look at what they do.

Very well then, show me a definition of "creationism" that defines it in terms of personal behaviour, without any reference to religious beliefs.

150 posted on 06/22/2007 11:01:48 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: betty boop
But you are right, there is that rare Muslim scholar who will attack evolution theory.

Baloney. You have that backwards. There are liberal Muslims that accept evolution (although, as the wiki entry notes, even many of them insist on the special creation of Man) but theologically conservative Muslims -- including ALL of the "Islamofascists" who you (supposedly) can't imagine being creationists -- virtually all reject evolution.

Show me a counter example. Show me a fundamentalist Islamist who accepts evolution. I won't hold my breath.

152 posted on 06/22/2007 11:11:45 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: betty boop
Also, let's not forget to "Ask the Imam". A couple of the answers:

It is our belief that Allah is the creator of the universe and all its contents. The concept of evolution is un Islamic. The animals, humans, etc all were created by the command of Allah and will be created by His command. The ever changing conclusions of the scientists is sufficient of their false research.

It is permissible to use hair gel.

And Allah Knows Best

For: Mufti Ebrahim Desai

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The concept of evolution is wrong.

As Muslims, we believe that Allah created human being. We are not transformed from monkeys and apes.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

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The Quraan and the Ahaadith are very clear on this issue. Allah Ta'aala had created Adam (Alayhis Salaam) in the form of a human being. He was the first human being created in the world. Thereafter Allah Ta'aala created Hawwa (Alayha Salaam) as a wife for Adam (AS). From their relationship the human race began.

Hence the issue of evolution is not acceptable to muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ahmad Suliman
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED & APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai

156 posted on 06/22/2007 11:19:01 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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