Posted on 06/19/2007 1:28:04 PM PDT by achilles2000
Not you, but your children are paying the price. You have no weapons with which to curb their excesses; the courts have taken them all away.
Voting with your feet is the only solution - and it doesn’t require anyone’s permission or greasing the palms of politicians. Take 20% out of a typical school district tomorrow and it is going to start to implode financially because the special interests will go to war against each other. This is happening in Detroit right now. No rational adjustments will be possible. Even when the decline in enrollment is gradual, no real adjustments are possible - as evidenced by the Seattle, SF, and St. Louis school districts, for example.
Having had a birthright southern baptist mom and a converted from catholic baptist dad, I can agree with you that baptists are stubborn.
exceedingly
only thing worse is a Dutch “hardshell” baptist :>)
I have been a Baptist for over 50 years and never once have I thought about or heard fellow church members talk about pulling children out of any public school.
The problems I have with people pulling out of government schools is the same one I have with these open borders people.
Those willing to take flight to another country may just be the ones needed to make a fight to change the wrongs in their own country.
Just as the United States is Willey nilly taking immigrants from other country’s has caused some causes for freedom to sink.
I often wonder what would have happened if we had insisted on hundreds of thousands of Cubans stay home and fight Castro for their freedom instead of letting Castro get rid of the dissenters.
Same goes for any number of anything goes immigration policies over the last 50 years.
Well applying common sense to this problem, it seems to me that if people take the easy way out and abandon public schools then in the long term they have actually lost the battle for America.
I for one will never give up on demanding that public schools do the job they were created to do and that is educate.
Not necessarily. They'll just change the funding rules to make sure it doesn't affect tax allocation.
You can't vote with your feet, you can only retreat and give up ground. Fewer conservative students will only mean less resistance to liberal teaching.
I think the liberal ideologies can be overcome with careful supplemental instruction at home. In that way, my children will be able to see liberal brainwashing for what it is and reject it. At the same time, having students "in the system" will give me more of a voice at school board meetings.
I think we need more conservative students and parents involved, not less.
I have 3 children, they have attended mega private school, Montessori, public school and I would not trade the difference on any of those school. The problem with education has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with parenting.
When the twins started high school they wanted to go to a university model school. That is a school where the parent creates the home school and enrolls the student in classes.
There are 15 to 25 students in a class. They only go 8:30 to 12:30. The school performs no testing in class, they send the test home to the parents and they administer the test and send back to the teacher for grading. People ask are they not afraid you will cheat.
That is not their concern. If you want to teach your child to cheat do you really thing the school system can stop it. They spend zero time on discipline. If your child acts up they are sent to the office and you are requested to handle the problem. If you do nothing, you are requested to leave the school. It is not a threat, but is a promise. You can attend classes with your child if there are problems. Lack of respect is about the only thing that will get you thrown out.
We pulled our public school son out after 4 months it worked so well.
The twins graduated this year and we took 10 other children, boys and girls to the beach for a week. They were perfect and quite respectful. Because they are treated like young adults and understand it is their choices that determine their path, they do not act childish.
I spent well over 44,000 a year for 4 years on the private school and that was the biggest waste of money. Schools today public or private need parental involvment starting in 1st grade. Not the involvment, I’m here and discussing my perfection with other parents. They need the involvment that shows you are really interested in the educational process, help any child that needs your help and set an example for your child, they see it and grow from it.
AAAWWW, how romantic. FReeping together.
If you live, or will be living, where there is a good homeschool support group, it’ll be the best choice you can make. My kids didn’t like doing their school work at home, either, but it took far less time than it would have had they been in public schools. And if you live near a city, there are lots of community sports teams and the Y often has a lot to offer. We did Y swimming for four years and it provided more than enough public school type socialization.
I'd have to disagree with that. Homeschoolers are overwhelmingly Christian and conservative. By raising their children in such an environment, the kids will grow up to be the same, as my kids have; they're flaming conservatives.
What's going to happen is that this highly conservative group of more highly educated, generally more mature, people is going to enter the workforce and quickly rise to the top. I think you'll start finding more homeschoolers in higher positions than you realize. That could bring a whole new conservative bent in business and politics.
I fought tooth and nail for years. Finally, when my son was a freshmen in h.s., I gave up the good fight. In h.s. things are done more in secret and behind the parents back. The only way to find things out is to grill your child when they come home from school. My son was too confused and apprehensive to disclose things in detail. I fought many battles for my son in school over the years, I only gave up due to the fact that I became overwhelmed by the newer problems with the school. Like trying to recruit my son into homosexual behavior, behind my back. Things like that. Undermining my right to teach him MY values. Good luck to you. One month into his freshman year I pulled him out of school. Plugged him into an online christian private school, and things have improved 150%.
My children were born US citizens while I lived in South America.
I would say yes, yes, yes parents need to be involved in their child's education.
Where I now live (by my Choice) the choice is either home-school, public school or drive the kids miles to a church school (many of my friends drive over 80 miles to work so they don't have to put their kids in this school system).
With lots of trepidation we enrolled them in the local school system.
This by any stretch of the imagination is one of the poorest areas in Kalifornia.
We laughingly say the more wealthy of our community has a bathtub as a planter in the front yard.
The local school broken down by racial numbers as follows: 543 Hispanic, 23 (American) Negro, and 44 Caucasian.
School ended last Wednesday and it was nice picking up my daughter and son and hearing such great comments from everyone including the Superintendent of Schools.
My children absolutely loved school this year.
All of my children's teachers are of Hispanic origin.
As I have posted before no Spanish could be spoken in the class room by students or teachers.
Parents (even those who could not speak English) are required to read each night to their children in English.
I have sat in class and chaperoned several class trips.
On none of those trips was Spanish spoken by the teachers, kids and parents.
During the school year my children had a least an hour of solid night homework followed by reading for at least 30 minutes.
Got to remember this is a Kalifornia school so often knocked by those with agendas.
One of the reasons this public school may be so successful is the town is predominately Christian with some local Navy base personnel for parents.
I have a feeling that if a person did a study of really bad schools you would find that many or most of them would be in secular cities like Boulder Colorado.
Judging a human being solely on the amount of education is dangerous.
The problems in America today are primarily caused by over educated, know it all, secular progressives.
PS: one of the Black kids in 5 Th grade is at least six foot 5 and talented both physically and mentally.
Of course his dad is Navy and he is a very polite young man.
Just the opinion of a red state wannabe.
I am not against home schooling.
I have seen home schooling when I lived for years in Alaska.
I happen to think home schooling is great if that what parents want for their children.
I am for the record, for home schooling, nuff said.
However, when all those who have any disagreement abandoned the public school system it leaves what is left to the progressive seculars.
Believe me the home schoolers do not want what a school system like this will produce running America.
What percentage of people home school then figure out what percentage of those home schooled will eventually rise to the top.
Take two aspirins and get back to me.
I didn’t say you were against homeschooling. I just disagree that we are losing the battle for America by homeschooling. It’s precisely because of that battle that people homeschool.
I’ve seen lots of Christian kids go through the public school system, the private schools, homeschool. The church I attended when we started homeschooling had a pretty large percentage of each, about equally split. There was a big difference in the attitudes and behavior in each group. Try as they might, the parents of the public schooled kids could not keep its influence out of their kid’s lives.
America will not be taken back by adults who have already become so much like the world as kids in attitude and actions by age 10, that you can hardly tell the difference between them and your run-of-the-mill kid off the street.
The schools have been full of progressive secularists for decades and try as parents might, things aren’t changing. In our old community, a new, very controversial (read heavily sexual-anything goes) health curriculum was proposed. The community was up in arms over it, really up in arms and very outspoken. The school board voted to use it, which they supposedly had no authority to do, and because of the reaction of the community, the DS even advised them not to approve it. Well, you can guess what happened. They passed it anyway, in spite of all the efforts to stop it.
That was the clincher for us. That sealed our decision to homeschool. There was no way we were sending our kids to that school to learn that homosexuality and bestiality were acceptable forms of sexual expression. Anyone can criticize us all they want for *abandoning* the public schools but no way was I going to sacrifice my kids to that system. My obligation is to them, first and foremost. If I don’t protect them from that kind of influence, no one else certainly will.
My kids are teens now and with the way they are turning out, I wouldn’t have changed a thing. There comes a time to abandon a sinking ship cause otherwise all that you’ll manage to do is go down with it; you’ll simply drown proving your loyalty to it and accomplish nothing.
I was never in a public or private school so my perspective might be warped, but if your kid is there for 7 hours a day, and then comes home and has an hour of homework and half an hour of reading every day, something seems wrong. Why aren’t they learning their stuff in school, why does it take an extra hour and a half of home schooling? When do they get to be a kid, if their free time is eaten up by homework?
That was one of the things I realized about homeschooling; the amount of time recommended to be spent on homework each night was about the amount of time we spent on schoolwork. So why should they have to go to school in the first place? It’s not much different that helping your kids with their homework, and if the public school was actually teaching them, why would you need to help them?
When parents help their kids with their homework, they are essentially homeschooling them, busting the *I can’t homeschool* myth. If you can help your kids with homework, you can homeschool. Almost any parent should be able to get their kids through 6th grade at least, and likely through 8th.
It’s like having a job as an adult, going to work every day and then being required, under threat of penalty, to take extra work home every night and do it there for your boss on your own time, without pay. How much like the real world is that?
*When do they get to be a kid?* Apparently during the school hours when they’re locked up in the building not learning anything. Send them to school for *proper* socialization, and help them learn at home. It’s backwards.
I agree with you 110%. We started homeschooling our kids two years ago, and we’ve never regretted it. They teach themselves (under supervision) and are thriving on it. They spend about as much time doing their school work as they used to spend riding the bus, and all three of them are ahead of their age groups by at least a year.
For the record, they socialize more now than they did when they were in government schools, and everyone we know complements them on how well behaved they are.
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