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Rasmussen National poll: Thompson 28% Giuliani 27%
Rasmussen Reports ^ | 6/19/2007 | Rasmussen

Posted on 06/19/2007 6:52:38 AM PDT by Neville72

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To: perfect_rovian_storm; PSUAdam
Which speeches would those be?

The ones they play at PSU frat parties, I suppose.

You get the yokels in Happy Valley drunk enough, they'll dance to anything.

101 posted on 06/19/2007 10:57:03 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: xsmommy
who knew that PSU was full of weathermen!

They produce some of the finest basket weavers in the country, as well.

102 posted on 06/19/2007 10:58:33 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: fix

No. I want to beat Hillary. If it means going with someone a bit to the left of me I’m ok with it.

Earlier in the thread someone wrote that Thompson is down 5 points on Hillary. He’s down 5.5 in the RCP average. The argument is that he is unknown and so his numbers may rise. Hillary has 50 percent unfavorables. So even with being relatively unknown, Thompson should be even with Hillary if half the electorate hates her. Maybe I’m wrong. I’ll concede that. But maybe I’m not. Clearly I’m outnumbered here, but there are plenty of people, Giuliani supporters, and supporters of other GOP candidates that share my view of Thompson. I just really hope we’re not throwing this away.


103 posted on 06/19/2007 11:00:13 AM PDT by PSUAdam
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To: PSUAdam

no, you are correct, that is my understanding as well.


104 posted on 06/19/2007 11:00:35 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: PSUAdam
Thompson hasn’t beaten Hillary in a poll.

Actually he did, a few weeks back in the Rasmussen poll. And he's inside the margin of error at the moment.

105 posted on 06/19/2007 11:01:41 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: xsmommy
who knew that PSU was full of weathermen

You ever been to State College, PA? What else are you going to do except watch the weather?

;)

My brother went there for his graduate work in the 90's

106 posted on 06/19/2007 11:04:48 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: PSUAdam

when you boil all that down, i am afraid what you are left with is the old “only Rudy can beat Hillary” line of crap and that has been discredited here long ago. the reason fred is doing as well as he is, before he has even entered the race, is the extreme dissatisfaction with the field of republican candidates. NO ONE is enthused about them. Fear of hillary will only do so much and it won’t get boots on the ground, and $$$$ contributed to a lackluster candidate who is only grudingly supported by people who are voting simply because they are terrified of a hillary win. that’s why rudy can’t win. that, and the fact that libs are going to vote for a dem, not dem-lite rudy.


107 posted on 06/19/2007 11:07:43 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: kevkrom

i am from southwestern PA, almost everyone from my graduating class from HS went to either Penn State, Pitt or WVU. i didn’t apply to anywhere but Pitt, because i wanted no part of the boondocks : )


108 posted on 06/19/2007 11:09:05 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
libs are going to vote for a dem, not dem-lite rudy

That's right. When presented with a choice between a Democrat acting like a Democrat and a Republican acting like a Democrat, the voters will select the real thing.

109 posted on 06/19/2007 11:10:10 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: PSUAdam
PSUAdam: shilling for Rudy since Jan '06!
110 posted on 06/19/2007 11:20:17 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl; PSUAdam

Looks like you outted him! LOL!


111 posted on 06/19/2007 11:26:27 AM PDT by TommyDale (Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
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To: TommyDale

Spewing trollisms like “you must move leftward” are sure-fire signs of liberals.
They sure are persistent little varmints!


112 posted on 06/19/2007 11:34:20 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Vermints, or vermin? Either one works for me.


113 posted on 06/19/2007 11:36:55 AM PDT by TommyDale (Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
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To: TommyDale

Actually, I typed “varmints.” I didn’t give it much thought and have no idea how it came to be part of my vocabulary as I can’t say that I’ve ever written it before. (I’m thinking maybe it came from watching the Beverly Hillbillys or something.) Anyway, Wikipedia’s description of vermin probably comes close to my intended application to liberals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin

The term is also used as an extremely pejorative characterization of a particular class or group of people as inferior and subhuman, and often considered social parasites. Application of the term can be wide, having been applied over the centuries in different languages, to various groups, and its use is usually based on a perception that the target group’s views are “disease-like,” or that such groups exist out of sociological balance with the common society.


114 posted on 06/19/2007 11:41:44 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

I misspelled varmints as vermints. Sorry...


115 posted on 06/19/2007 11:43:41 AM PDT by TommyDale (Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
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To: calcowgirl

You are correct. “Varmints” are the critters that live in my woods. They are best seen as road kill, or at some local eateries they may be referred to as the “Special of the Day”.


116 posted on 06/19/2007 11:45:58 AM PDT by TommyDale (Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
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To: PSUAdam

1) The candidates that have lost their run at the Presidency on the Republican ticket were—wait for it-— Not Southerners. the last two Democrat winners were, what? Southerners. History looks favorably on that region in prounoumcing who will be the next president of the United States. Bush 41 won, but his opponent was from MASS while he had Reagan’s coattails. In ‘92 Clinton beat him. I’m not saying only a Southerner can win, but I’d choose someone from the Mid-west as more likely to have the upset then a person from the northeast.

2) If the media has successfully painted the GOP as anti-Immigrant, then why is the ONLY area they score better then dems on Immigration? And why are the polls so against amnesty?

3) The voters the GOP lost in the last election are known as Reagan democrats. That is, CONSERVATIVES that left the DNC because they didn’t represent them but left the GOP now because the DNC ran candidates with conservative platforms while the GOP became liberal lite.

4) You state Rudy is better then Hillary, even if he’s a little to the left of you. Hillary’s record is comparable to Rudy’s, in all but maybe the war. So does that mean your beliefs in essence reflect that of Joe Leiberman’s? I’d praise you for that if you were a Dem, but on a republican ticket it is unacceptable to me. that position will not bring the Reagan Dems back.


117 posted on 06/19/2007 11:49:18 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: TommyDale

Hmmm... below is the Wikipedia addition for “varmint.”
I guess it works too. Liberals doing great damage by trying to destroy conservatism.
(but that “subhuman” part of the vermin description did hit home, lol)


Varmint” is an American English colloquialism. The term describes farm pests which raid farms as opposed to infest farms: mainly predators such as foxes and coyotes, sometimes even wolves; but also (to a lesser degree) herbivores and burrowing animals which directly damage crops and land. Although this is not a prevalent term in Standard Written English, it is a common descriptor for certain kinds of weapons and pest control situations (e.g., “varmint guns”, “varmint hunting”, “pesky varmint”).


118 posted on 06/19/2007 11:53:27 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: PSUAdam

So you have no problem placing politics over principle? It used to be that the idea was to win in order to advance your principles. Now it seems that the idea is to retard your principles in order to win.

Giuliani may be a “bit to the left” of you, but he’s so far left of me that I can’t tell he’s there.


119 posted on 06/19/2007 12:02:55 PM PDT by fix
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To: fix
It used to be that the idea was to win in order to advance your principles.
Now it seems that the idea is to retard your principles in order to win.

Great summation!

120 posted on 06/19/2007 12:06:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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