Posted on 06/18/2007 10:45:44 AM PDT by hardback
Liberal Republicans like Guiliani are MUCH MORE DANGEROUS than liberal democrats,,,
because liberal Republicans BLUR THE DISTINCTION between conservatism and liberalism,,,
MAKING LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE!!
After GW Bush’s illegal immigration policy is enacted there will no GOP left to harm.
Before I go any further, allow me to say that I do NOT like Giuliani. I have never liked or trusted him. I believe he is more Democrat than Republican, and certainly not fit material as a candidate for the Presidency.
I would not vote for him under ANY circumstance. He will never, NEVER get my vote. EVER!!
However, he is not needed as a “cyanide pill” for the Republican Party. The position is already taken. Giuliani NEED NOT APPLY.
President George W. Bush appears to be staring in that role, and does not need supporting actors in his cast.
While the Democrats are offering an unprincipled shrew, an inexperienced demagogue and assorted nutcakes.
BTTT...
Lots of you aren’t going to like this...but we have to start looking past abortion...it’s never going away. Even were it to be overturned (and it won’t be) it would be installed, as it mostly already is, as law at the state level.
I think Rudy would be a very good President...he’s tough, smart, and frankly, reminds ME of TR. He would be the center of action. He’s a man with ideas, and knows how to lead. If we cut him up on abortion (no pun intended) we limit ourselves to candidates who can pass a litmus test and they are losers.
No “open borders rinos” ever ever again!!
They don’t care. They just want to get their “point across.” Just great. Thompson is too ugly to win. MacPain is to angry like a male Hilary. Mitt is too Mormon and Americans dont like that. Rudy is the only one who can beat Hilary. But they dont care. They just want to hand over the country to H to get their point across.
Except that Rudy's problems are not just limited to abortion. Try gun control. Support of CFR. Support of amnesty and sanctuary city policies. Promotion of the gay agenda.
Plus, he's a thin-skinner authoritarian freak. And I simply don't buy into the leadership image that his campaign tries to promote. He has made a lot of bad mistakes - the worst being pushing Kerik for the most important anti-terror job in the country.
So Rudy is a disaster waiting to happen on any number of fronts.
Interesting backhanded slap there at Fred, with no mention of Romney, wonder who this Joe Murray would like to see as the Republican nominee?
I don’t know why people keep thinking Hillary can actually win. Maybe this has been forgotten but, Howard Dean actually doesn’t like Hillary Clinton. Right now, he is their titan, and believe it or not, a national party chair has more influence over who wins a primary than you think he does.
My gut feeling is that Dean supports Edwards, and it is also my gut feeling that Edwards is going to win an early primary and then he’s in contention and at the end of it all, I do think he comes off winning.
Giuliani cannot beat Edwards in several states that we must win to keep the election, and honestly, I actually think Edwards is more socially conservative than Rudy. If you take out the culture war equation, there is no reason for Southern lower income white voters to support the Republican Party, thats just the truth. We’re not going to have an election between two New Yorkers, no matter how much people in the NE would love us to.
The qualities that made Giuliani a great mayor are the same qualities that basically disqualify him to be president. And I’m not one for race-baiting, but there are Republicans who, if blacks won’t necessarily vote for, they also won’t turn out in droves just to vote against said person. Our governor is one of these people who doesn’t arouse black anger. Giuliani is the exact opposite. Whether it is deserved or not, Giuliani is truly detested by blacks in New York, and once certain aspects of his record were highlighted, you’d see the highest black turnout ever just to vote against the guy. Not defending New York’s black leaders by any means, but, Rudy has a problem on race and when you combine that with all of the whites who wouldn’t show up because he’s a liberal, actually, no, Rudy is not the only one who can be elected President. In fact, he has a less of a shot than the Mormon.
You Rudybots think abortion is a giggling matter. I'd rather stare at Hillary's wide ass for all eternity than vote for your abortion-loving candidate.
“After GW Bush’s illegal immigration policy is enacted there will no GOP left to harm.”
There won’t be much America left to harm. The whole country will suffer California’s fate. A billion people work for lower wages than what Mexicans earn in Mexico. George W is announcing to them that all you have to do is get here.
You can bring your culture, your family, your village, whatever you can cram into your apartment. America is just a work site, it’s no longer a nation with a history.
Yep--he's got ideas, alright! Pro-abortion, pro-gun control, sanctuary cities, 4th Amendment abuses, special rights for homosexuals, etc. These ideas should disqualify him as an acceptable candidate for the presidency.
Abortion is not the issue for 2008 to focus on. For one issue voters that’s a tough cyanide pill to swallow, but it’s the truth.
Giuliani will make an excellent president and has the best chance of defeating a guaranteed NOW/Hillary Clinton direct dial number to the WH.
Blah blah blah. If you had a clue, you would see the rift that Rudy has caused on FR and realize that Rudy winning the nomination would have the same effect on the GOP.
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