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To: BlackElk
You do not wish to have a conversation/discussion - you wish to score points in a debate style give and take. That is not how I wish to spend my time. I don't have to explain my choices or my philosophy any more than you do. If you wish to share, then share, but don't be surprised if others disagree with you

I'm happy for you that you like Illinois, although if you are familiar with BJU you already know what I was taught there to think of Catholics.

If you attended a state school as you say you did, and your children attended public schools, you too drank at the government tit. Are you pot or kettle today? You are not in a position to lecture me or anyone else about the evils of government money.

As far as paying for my own children? Considering that my husband and I pay well over 10k a year in state taxes, we will have paid for them and several others many times before we retire

I'm done with this debate. It does not feed my soul in any way, nor have I learned anything from it, except disgust and distaste for a particular poster.

292 posted on 06/19/2007 3:07:00 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Well, I will take that as a compliment, considering the source.

If Bob Jones University were not in disagreement with people like me, it would be a quite conservative Catholic University. Who knows? Bob Jones I publicly opposed Catholic Democrat Al Smith as a presidential candidate because Bob Jones I stated he would prefer to vote for a black rather than vote for a papist. It was then and now a free country. I regard that as his statement of rah-rah support for Sola Scriptura. When Bob Jones the I enthusiastically expressed his faith, that ought not to offend me as a Catholic. My faith does not depend on the opinions of others. So long as God agrees, I have nothing to fear. Bob Jones IV is now running the university. He cannot be too offended by the Catholic brand name since he holds an earned degree from Notre Dame University (not that Notre Dame has been actually Catholic in several decades but Bob IV probably thought it was). Some Catholics note that as progress in the Jones family over the last 7 or 8 generations. Maybe Bob Jones V, if there is one, will be educated at some actually Catholic institution or even become Catholic. Frankie Schaeffer became Russian Orthodox because of the Mass and the sacraments. Maybe Bob Jones IV's grandson will become better known as Robert Cardinal Jones. Whether or not that happens Bob Jones University is, on many fronts, fighting the good fight as you apparently are not. That Bob Jones University's leaders are quite Christian but quite non-Catholic does not bother me in the least. When your Savior and mine wept in the Garden at Gethsemani, He prayed to His Father that His Flock might be as one but He knew it was not to be. It is the enemies of Christianity who seek to divide Christians on matters of public policy (on denominational lines or otherwise) if and when those matters are of consequence.

ONE child attended gummint skewel by her choice and as a punishment thereafter for that choice. It taught her that choices have consquences. She was well enough grounded in her faith that we certainly had little to fear from her atheist and communist social studies teacher, her atheist but competent chemistry teacher, her socialbutterfly anatomy and physiology teacher. her cute blond but incompetent Spanish teacher who left to marry rather than continue embarrassing herself posing as a teacher even in a gummint skewel context. You stop stealing my money for the gummint skewels and I will gladly foreswear any use of them up to and including our local high school's semi-professional football team right up until those dens of educational iniquity and theft are abolished altogether. So long as we are forced to pay the bills, we will use the gummint educational latrine if and when and why we please but NEVER under the delusion that it constitutes actual education. Silly paper credentials like diplomas and other sheepskins might be an excuse. That's Entertainment!!! might be another since the local gummint skewel has a very good music director. I see no reason why those who pay taxes should not be able to put their kids on gummint skewel sports teams if they are qualified, or music ensembles or drama clubs or chemistry labs without being indoctrinated in atheism, agnosticism, ancestral monkey-worship or the other religious dogmas of secular humanism. Gummint skewels are like the old town greens in my native New England. Anyone should be able to graze their sheep on the commons.

You do not wish to be a conservative or even to make believe you are a conservative. Gummint skewels and conservatism are clean different things in the terms of blessed Charles I of England, king and martyr.

I shall agree with you on one thing. Your soul, regardless of denomination does seem to have been starved. Try Imitation of Christ by Thomas a Kempis.

Buh-bye!!!

295 posted on 06/20/2007 12:48:34 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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