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To: Maelstrom
"Sure, there’s a solution, but the first step is to recognize that everything you have eloquently worshipped in this thread is wrong at one level or another."

"I believe your sanity has suffered."

Prove it.

130 posted on 06/19/2007 3:01:59 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf
"Sure, there’s a solution, but the first step is to recognize that everything you have eloquently worshipped in this thread is wrong at one level or another."

"I believe your sanity has suffered."

Prove it.


Step one: Recognize that these quotations were made from a basis of knowledge after long study of past governments throughout human history:

"[V]irtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government." George Washington

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles." George Washington

"Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people." George Washington

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

"A nation as a society forms a moral person, and every member of it is personally responsible for his society." Thomas Jefferson

"No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government." Thomas Jefferson

"It is in the manners and spirit of a people which preseve a republic in vigour. . . . degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats into the heart of its laws and constitution." Thomas Jefferson

"When virtue is banished, ambition invades the minds of those who are disposed to receive it, and avarice possesses the whole community." Montesquieu (written by Thomas Jefferson in his Common Place Book).

"Liberty . . . is the great parent of science and of virtue; and . . . a nation will be great in both always in proportion as it is free." Thomas Jefferson

"The order of nature [is] that individual happiness shall be inseparable from the practice of virtue." Thomas Jefferson

"Without virtue, happiness cannot be." Thomas Jefferson

"The institution of delegated power implies that there is a portion of virtue and honor among mankind which may be a reasonable foundation of confidence." Alexander Hamilton

"To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea." James Madison

"The aim of every political Constitution, is or ought to be first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust." James Madison

". . . Virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone that renders us invincible. These are the tactics we should study. If we lose these, we are conquered, fallen indeed . . . so long as our manners and principles remain sound, there is no danger." Patrick Henry

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles." Patrick Henry

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

Now, if you *cannot* accept the conclusions deemed inescapable by the Founders of this nation, then you are most likely one of those people who CANNOT learn, or only learn under the harshest of conditions: Direct Experience.

Step 2: Understand that the events in the past that you have cheered are antithical to virtuous people.
131 posted on 06/19/2007 7:54:37 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: knarf

Oh, and the solution relies upon educating people.

The children of today are not being educated. They are being indoctrinated.

They are not being taken down the path of study that answers the question “why”...and teaches them to find the answer to that question, but instead tells them *what* to think.

By way of example I offer the favorite of the Flower Children’s vises: Sex. They are indoctrinated to believe, as it happens, that sex is something they are going to do whether they want to or not, so they might as well give in to those feelings. It’s hormonal, and they are animals...this is the message....Therefore get a condom from the nurse’s office, nevermind the fact that the child is 12 or 13 years of age.

They are also told, beginning in Kindergarten in some cases, that there is no difference between heterosexuality and homosexuality while deftly ignoring that men and women are different, but homosexuality and a plethora of other fetishes and paraphilias have astonishingly *few* differences.


133 posted on 06/19/2007 8:01:12 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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