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To: Stultis
Of course you won't tell us because you don't even know. Yours is nothing but a bald, bigoted, reflexive, gratuitous, posturing and phony assertion.

LOL... Yeah! If you say so. Fact of the matter is everytime someone destroys your religion people like you run around trying to shout us down. Case in point... Your last post.

Listen, I won't waste my time trying to educate you nor will "we address it." You are happy in your ignorance. I'm good with that. People like you seem to think that those of us that disagree with you are somehow ignorant of your positions. We aren't. We too when to the same public and private schools you did. We received the same New Age indoctrinations you have and we've attended the same universities and colleges you have. We just don't buy into every fantasy that comes down the pike. We like evidence that supports theories which turn those "theories" into scientific fact. If an entire species of man can be derived from the fragments of a worn out pig's tooth and presented to the world as "the missing link" isn't a fraud or a scam then I truly do not know what the word "is" means.

Please... enjoy your life. I'm not about to waste my time debating with you. There are thousands of real scientists in the world that are already exposing the theory of evolution as a hoax and you followers of junk science refuse to look at that evidence just as Dan Rather refuses to look at the fact that GWB NEVER went AWOL or tried to avoid service. You... Like Rather would rather believe what you believe than look at the evidence.

And please don't ask me to do your homework for you. I've spent decades acquiring my knowledge. I'm not going to try to post it all here on FR for you. Google it if you really care, And try to listen to those you do not agree with for a change. You just may learn something.

Good night.

65 posted on 06/14/2007 10:38:12 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: EndWelfareToday
If an entire species of man can be derived from the fragments of a worn out pig's tooth and presented to the world as "the missing link" isn't a fraud or a scam then I truly do not know what the word "is" means.

First to dispense with the factual error (even though I did so in a previous message addressed to Theo): Hesperopithecus was never presented by the scientists working on it as a "species of man". The name means "Western Ape". Aside from pointing out a few possible affinities to human teeth, they didn't -- because of the poor and heavily worn condition of the fossil -- even try to press the case that this was a human ancestor. It was plenty to claim that an anthropoid ape had been found in the New World where they were previously (and currently) unknown.

Now, as to the statement more generally. I genuinely do not follow the logic. You are flatly claiming that if these scientists claimed a pig's tooth belonged to a human (actually ape) then it follows that it must involve fraud.

But it seems to be that this only follows if a genuine MISTAKE is eliminated as a possibility.

Therefore the implication of your statement is, ironically, THAT EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTISTS ARE INFALLIBLE! (Factually and cognitively infallible, of course. Not morally infallibe, since you're also claiming by implication that they're also all outrageous and constant liars.)

Where do I go wrong in my analysis?

Is it possible? Can you really think that scientist can't possibly be sincerely mistaken, and therefore that any erroneous conclusion must be fraudulent?!

66 posted on 06/14/2007 10:58:14 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: EndWelfareToday
you followers of junk science refuse to look at that evidence

To the contrary. I've read extensively of the creationism/antievolution literature. I have a couple hundred volumes in my antievolution library. I think it's very likely I've read more of this stuff than you have, and know some of your own arguments better than you do. I've visited creationist "research" sites (specifically Carl Baugh's "mantrack" sites in the Paluxy River). I've attended creationist conventions. Etc, etc.

I'm sure it helps you to believe that those who reject antievolutionary creationism do so only because they haven't looked at it. In fact very many of us do so because we have.

Although I never bought into the full creationist scheme, my initial response on reading two or three books was at least somewhat sympathetic. Although I thought their own conclusions were probably wrong, I suspected some of these authors might be raising some legitimate and worthwhile questions.

What I did then was to pick out a few of the more interesting points and go the library (in the end I had to visits several large science and medical libraries) and chase out all the related references and footnotes to the original scientific facts and research papers. The result was unexpected and shocking. I found that there was NOTHING of value in any of these arguments. They were all based on the most outrageous lies and distortions regarding the actual evidence. Then (and only then) I finally read some of the anticreationist literature and discovered that many others had done the same thing with the same result.

67 posted on 06/14/2007 11:17:34 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: EndWelfareToday
And please don't ask me to do your homework for you.

How is it my "homework" to say what you think constitutes a "hoax" regarding Nebraska Man (for instance)?

I absolutely and in complete and forthright honesty know of nothing that is fraudulent about Nebraska Man. I know the fossil was genuine. I know that the researchers at the American Museum certainly thought it was an ape's tooth. I know that they sent casts of the tooth to dozens of scientists and institutions around the world. I know that they tried (in the face of much skepticism) to make their case. I know they kept pressing the matter until they managed to disprove their case.

I simply cannot possibly imagine what you consider to involve fraud or "hoaxing" in all this. I really can't. You need to tell me.

You refuse to tell me. I assert that it is very simply because you cannot. You're welcome to falsify my assertion. (But you won't.)

68 posted on 06/14/2007 11:25:19 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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