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To: nthompsonwhitehouse
Not all employers choose to use Basic Pilot. The new bill would require employers to use the EEVS system, which will lower the chances of an illegal being hired and give the federal government the proof they need to impose civil and criminal fines.
This new bill does more than that. This mandatory requirement would also check all workers, not just "new hires" as your use of the present participle "being" implies.
TITLE III--WORKSITE ENFORCEMENT (starting at [Page: S6641] http://thomas.loc.gov/)
[Page: S6643](D) No later than three years after the date of enactment of this section, all employers shall participate in the EEVS with respect to new employees, all employees whose identity and employment authorization have not been previously verified through EEVS, and all employees in Z status who have not previously presented a secure document evidencing their Z status. The Secretary may specify earlier dates for participation in the EEVS in his discretion for some or all classes of employer or employee.
And yet I'm unsure...also on [Page: S6643]
(3) PARTICIPATION IN EEVS.--The Secretary has the following discretionary authority to require or to permit participation in the EEVS-- ``(A) To permit any employer that is not required to participate in the EEVS to do so on a voluntary basis;
Just where in the bill can I find out just which employers it is who are not required to participate in the EEVS? It seems that the Secretary has the authority to do more than just mitigate penalties. Is that a right also?

This will be a new authority not currently in law.
Anyone reading the bill would know that! It's even laid out at [Page: S6641]...
SEC. 301. PURPOSES.
(c) To authorize the Secretary of Homeland Security to access records of other Federal agencies for the purposes of confirming identity, authenticating lawful presence and preventing identity theft and fraud related to unlawful employment.
(d) To ensure that the Commissioner of Social Security has the necessary authority to provide information to the Secretary of Homeland Security that would assist in the enforcement of the immigration laws.
And it's clarified at [Page: S6645]

(v) to confirm identity and work authorization through verification of records maintained by the Secretary, other federal departments, states, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, or an outlying possession of the United States, as determined necessary by the Secretary, including:
(I) records maintained by the Social Security Administration as specified in (D);
(II) birth and death records maintained by vital statistics agencies of any state or other United States jurisdiction;
(III) passport and visa records (including photographs) maintained by the United States Department of State; and
(IV) State driver's license or identity card information (including photographs) maintained by State department of motor vehicles; and

I wish you would stop telling me what I already know. Most of what you're doing is just that. I've READ the thing and I'm quite adept at finding what I need in it.
So what exactly are you trying to accomplish with your replies here? Are you trying to convince me that the things being recommended in this bill are good? I'm not convinced yet. As it stands all it sounds like you're doing is lecturing me and I don't need that.
I need you to persuade me that these things won't infringe upon my rights. I want you to ensure me that these things will eliminate any more foreign nationals illegally entering my nation. I need you to tell me that you KNOW that all of the people here illegally will come "out of the shadows" and comply with this if it is implemented into law.
If you can't do those things then I don't even understand why you or the POTUS are even trying to engage anyone on the Net.
BTW, if I'm reading from the wrong source would you let me know?

Something else...You know that I-9 form that everyone fills out and is found mentioned at 8 CFR PART 274a -- CONTROL OF EMPLOYMENT OF ALIENS? Why is it, what with the law being in 8 CFR PART 274a.2 Verification of employment eligibility under the auspices of CONTROL OF EMPLOYMENT OF ALIENS, that Citizens are filling out I-9 forms? Are we just stupid and don't know any better, believing our government wouldn't mislead us down the primrose path of life or is there some other statute that requires Citizens to fill out an I-9? Or is the REAL ID and the EEVS supposed to legally fill in that loophole?
I also found that "Good faith defense." I mentioned in the other reply at 8 CFR PART 274a.4 as well as "The term knowing..." at Sec. 274a.1 under "Definitions".
It leaves a lot to be desired as far as finality and "proof" is concerned.

486 posted on 06/18/2007 3:22:56 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: nthompsonwhitehouse; kristinn; Jim Robinson; joanie-f
Thompson never intended to answer anything in any depth.

4 measly replies is all he's got to show for himself!

491 posted on 06/18/2007 2:37:43 PM PDT by philman_36
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