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To: saveliberty
I will always support Tony, which doesn’t mean that I will always agree with him, but his ability to make his case without behaving badly is something we need on the right.

To you outright lying appears not to be "behaving badly".

I am starting to wonder if FR and other conservative media is enabling conservatives and Republicans to undermine themselves as dissent appears to be not an option.

There is nothing wrong with dissent, it's the blatant dishonesty that's unpalatable. If Bush, and Snow, would have come out truthfully and admitted that "Of course it's amnesty, but we believe this type of amnesty is good for the Country", their at least could be a debate. If they would have said "Yes, we know the first thing this bill will do is grant immediate legal status to millions of people who are now illegal and this will be done before any efforts at enforcement", the merits of the action could be discussed. If they would have admitted that "Sure, Americans will do any job if their paid enough, but we think it is good for America to bring in people from other countries who will do the work cheaper than Americans", the pros and cons could be looked at. If there would have been an admission that "We know this bill will cost the taxpayers trillions of dollars, but it will be money well spent", Americans could judge for themselves. This of course, was not done,in fact, you'll note that rarely was there any mention of American citizens by the promoters of this bill.

The American people have been lied to over and over and over again. FR is a place with many members who work to uncover the lies and to hold the liars accountable. If you think that this is not "civil" your definition of civility needs to be adjusted. If you believe the lies and manipulation that were used to try to ram this bill down the throats of the American people was just "dissent", and those who supported doing this just "dissenters", you are on the wrong forum. We will not let people destroy our Country and we will call a spade a spade and a traitor a traitor. Live with it!

319 posted on 06/12/2007 8:59:58 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

So someone who disagrees with you automatically is a liar?

That’s too bad for you.


524 posted on 06/12/2007 5:04:54 PM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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