Georgia judge voids 10 year sentence in conseunsual teen sex case.

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[John Cena]

ATLANTA — A Georgia judge on Monday voided a 10-year sentence given to a man who was convicted while a teenager of having consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old girl.

Monroe County Superior Court Judge Thomas Wilson voided Genarlow Wilson's sentence and dropped it to misdemeanor aggravated child molestation with a 12-month sentence, plus credit for time served. Under the new ruling, he will not be required to register as a sex offender

[Mrs. Don-o]

"I disagree with the premise that oral sex is wrong."

Any kind of sensual play that married couples want to engage in is jim-dandy (assuming it's not dangerous, degrading, etc.) but the husband's sperm goes in the wife's vagina! Dude, any well-raised child knows that!

As for unmarrieds, triflin' sex undermines the basis for a trustful peaceful relationship, both at the time and in the future. Junk sex habituates people to using and being used. This is no preparation for marriage. (At best, it's preparation for divorce.) Men who do this are training themsleves in the habits and appetities of selfishness; women who do this end up resenting men for treating them like sexual spittoons.

People wonder where the Andrea Dworkin I-despise-men lesbian wing came from! Why young college-age men and women don't even seem to like each other! And why after all this quasi-mating behavior, people end up without a mate; why after all this quasi-lovemaking, there's neither loyalty nor love.

Here's the thing: if sex is not considered sacred, neither is the marriage partner, and neither are the marriage vows.

"Do you have sex with Mr. Don-o in front of your parents? If not, is it because it is dishonorable?"

No, but it was very plain that after we married we'd be having marital relations. Goodness, my mother-in-law gave us our first big, beautiful bed!

Whereas kids know that nonmarital sex ia objectionable. Otherwise, they'd say things like "Mom, I'm going out to get a BJ from Cheryl; don't wait up."

In addition to gonorrhea down the throat, kids like that would end up with a crippled capacity for real intimacy. Dwarfed heart. Diminished soul.

I'd want to spare them that.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Some parents are “cool” with their kids having sex."

That's parental malpractice.

[muawiyah]

You remind me of a young woman attorney working in the DC Public Defender's office (must have been 35 years ago). We were at a party, and she'd arrived without a date.

Someone asked her about marriage prospects ~ and in about 15 minutes she'd given us pretty much the spiel you gave, and was crying and carrying on, and crawling on the floor, and folding up into fetal positions, and just turning into a total emotional mess.

Seemed that every woman she had as a client was regularly beaten by some guy who'd left her with a couple of kids, etc.

Several of us advised her to find a new job.

No idea what happened to her after that.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Traditionally, the Kama Sutra is attributed to Nandi, Shiva's doorkeeper, who overheard the lovemaking of the god and his wife Parvati and later recorded his sacred utterances for the benefit of mankind.

Well and good. So let's revise your statement:

Sex is a beautiful part of life marriage; not something to be reviled.

[muawiyah]

Supposedly (and we've had recent threads on this) the orgasm in females results in the release of oxytocin, and that presumably motivates the female to devote her attentions to that male.

Combine that with another finding (covered in a different report also discussed here in FR) that male semen contains endorpins and other chemicals that make females happy.

And you thought it was just hormones and juvenile urges.

When you have females bouncing around from lover to lover to lover, they've just gotta' get pretty confused.

Turns out boys and girls are different.

[TKDietz]

What is your point?

[muawiyah]

Your clients are not a representative sample of the population at large.

I thought it interesting that you turned to their experience for guidance in the way you might look at your own kids.

Time for a new job.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Why is oral sex wrong?"

If you're talking about ejaculation into the mouth, see 281

I imply no objections to whatever pleasuring, fondling or friskiness married people get into before or after honest-to-God copulation,--- which involves ejaculation in the vagina.

[reg45]

Putting a 17 year old honor student in prison for 10 years for oral sex is stupid.

After all, he could be the next Bill Clinton.

[TKDietz]

How is this woman’s diatribe about how “every woman she had as a client [being] regularly beaten by some guy who’d left her with a couple of kids, etc.,” even remotely similar to what I said in the post you responded to?

[Eagles6]

I doubt if any of the kids involved had a strong father at home. He was convicted and sentenced under Georgia law. These were not 2 kids in love in the backseat with a sixpack.

These were 6 thugs who took advantage of 2 females. One unconscious and 1 underage. Where was the man in this group? Where was the one that said "This isn't right" lets get these girls home?

I don't understand. Folks here are saying that since he was acquitted of rape of the 17 yr old (which it sure as hell looks like he did) he shouldn't pay the price for his other conviction?

Google his name. I have never seen a media driven to subvert justice to match this. The rationale is he's black, no priors, decent grades so he shouldn't do the time.

[muawiyah]

It’s a question of seeing the world exclusively through the eyes and experiences of the clients ~

[Eagles6]

Please. I think you are well aware that logic and morality have no place on this thread./sarc

[TKDietz]

I like my job (except for the pay). And I think there are good lessons to be learned from it. I try to learn from everything I do. Did you even read what I wrote about people taking responsibility for their actions and teaching their children to do the same? Do you not see how that is an important thing for people to learn?

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Turns out boys and girls are different."

Yup. For girls, sexual love is attachment behavior, whether they want it to be or not. So the first time they do something that engages real sexual energy, their heart goes with it.

Promiscuity, for girls, results in their hearts being battered and uprooted.

After that, it'll be emotional wreckage, self-protective lesbianism, or inner cold that can last and last and last. Addictive behaviors; eating disorders; depression. Here's some further reading on that subject.

It's apparently different for men. But men who actually like and respect women, shouldn't mess them up like this.

[editor-surveyor]

"I'm sure there are plenty of 15 year-olds with money"

Plenty that know that they're going to be coming into money anyway.

[muawiyah]

Know the type you were talking about quite well. We had a trailer park full of relocated hillbilly coalminers whose kids went to school with us.

Still, the lessons about responsible parenting can be devised based on better material.

[TKDietz]

I do not see the world exclusively through the eyes of clients, but I do draw from my experiences in life and will sometimes use things I see at work as examples to help make a point. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Lets don’t mince words here. You don’t like criminal defense attorneys. Fine. You don’t agree with what I have to say. In all these threads discussing crime and punishment you tend to always be on the side of having more laws, punishing more people, punishing people harder. As far as you’re concerned, the more people in prison the better. You’ve hardly ever seen a law you didn’t like, and if you didn’t like one it was probably because it wasn’t it wasn’t hardcore enough. That’s just you and I tend to look at things from a different perspective. What you are doing here now though is starting to get personal with me. I don’t much like that. I don’t like your insulting tone. If you disagree with me on a particular point relevant to the issues being discussed, disagree with me. That’s fine. We can discuss it like two grown ups. If you want to start comparing me with some whiny loser you met one time and start giving me a hard time about the way I parent my kids and the way I look at life, we’re going to have a problem. I can’t jump through my computer screen and smack you, so I’ll just ignore you.

[rednesss]

That’s what I was thinking. Why doesn’t everybody look back at their genealogy and then apply some 1st grade math. If it wasn’t for underage sex a lot of people here wouldn’t exist. Let’s see my great-grandmother was married at 16. I guess that makes my great-granddad a sex offender. Please. I guess society was just a little bit more imbued with common sense a couple of generations ago.

[muawiyah]

You have me confused with someone else.

I simply noted that you sound exactly like another lawyer I met long ago who was finding it difficult to seperate her personal life from that of her clients.

If you check things out you'll find that I'm the guy who thinks cops who put 51 rounds into unarmed civilians with no outstanding warrants really shouldn't get away with claiming the guy tried to run them over with a car.

The Canadians have a case of that where the Indians they shot were trying to flee the scene in a bus. For a long time I thought the bus was full of Indians. Turns out there were just a handful, most of them juveniles.

Now, back to your kids ~ you brought them up, not me. Mine are fine. Of course I live in a tough neighborhood where it can be a mistake to even look at the wrong girl ~ whose Moslem father is probably an old country Moustache Pete prepared to defend family honor.

Now, regarding trial attorneys as a class, I don't think they should be allowed to vote or hold public office, but other than that they are fine people who do a hard job ~ and if the Comprehensive Immigration Reform works, they'll have steady employment from now 'til the end of the universe eh!