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To: CottShop
"I’m sorry, but it’s based on scientific facts aNd on evidences of the fossil records that show fully completed species that have reamined the same all the way from the Cambrian explosion to now"

Such as?

What is the time limit for evolution? Is there a specific rate of change organisms have to hold to? Is there a maximum species life span where the species has to either become extinct or speciate? Where can I find the literature that describes these limits?

"Again, I’m sorry, but lab experiments on fruit flies replicated millions of years through intense radiation and gene manipulation."

Where did the scientists working on fruit flies say it was equivalent to millions of years? In which publication did those same scientists specify which time period a specific mutation corresponded to? Where is it mentioned that the experiments were an attempt to produce speciation? From what you imply, they must have tried an accumulation of mutations in order to ratchet more than one feature in a specific direction. Where is the documentation for this?

Now the big question - what changes in the morphology of a fruit fly are necessary for that fruit fly to become something other than a fruit fly?

184 posted on 06/14/2007 8:21:30 PM PDT by b_sharp (The last door on your right. Jiggle the handle. If they scream ignore it.)
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To: b_sharp

[What is the time limit for evolution? Is there a specific rate of change organisms have to hold to? Is there a maximum species life span where the species has to either become extinct or speciate? Where can I find the literature that describes these limits?]

Any scientific textbook that discusses the factual (and not the hypothesised yet unproven) capabilities of genes- time plays no part in moecular biological fact

[Where did the scientists working on fruit flies say it was equivalent to millions of years? In which publication did those same scientists specify which time period a specific mutation corresponded to? Where is it mentioned that the experiments were an attempt to produce speciation? From what you imply, they must have tried an accumulation of mutations in order to ratchet more than one feature in a specific direction. Where is the documentation for this?]

Where? Online or library- help yourself- “Tried an accumulation of mutations? No- they let the process take it’s ‘natural’ course. The result? Freakish fruitflies- no fruit bats!

[Now the big question - what changes in the morphology of a fruit fly are necessary for that fruit fly to become something other than a fruit fly?]

Genetic sequences. The mutated fruitflies retained their unique fruitfly genetic information- the sequence reamined intact and was limitted to fruitfly only caps- centuries of selective breeding have proven that species specific information can’t be altered enough to move a species outside it’s own KIND. No amtter how hard we’ve tried- it is simply biologically impossible to do so. Time doesn’t solve the biolgical problem- the evidnece doesn’t show creation of new organs or systems not unique to a species. We’ve been over and over the species specific limitations many times here with many links given- There simp-ly are no evidneces that support the idea that species gain NEW information not unique to the species and not spcific to the species. Each species has limits as to how altered their information can become, and we Dhese limits in nature and the record


185 posted on 06/14/2007 8:44:28 PM PDT by CottShop
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