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Now I’m not going to say whether or not I think that harry has “cursed” me but it looks like there is more to this story than the head line lets on. How would liberals act if it was Muslim that was harassed, humiliated and discriminated against because of her religious “beliefs”.
1 posted on 06/10/2007 4:52:46 PM PDT by Alien Syndrome
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To: Alien Syndrome

All education of the young must include moral / civic teachings.

All moral/civic teachings have their foundation in a religious system somewhere. No exceptions.

Therefore, education of the young must take place in a setting where there is something resembling agreement in religious teachings.

If you don’t believe me, just look at the education mess that takes place when the community doesn’t seem to have any morals or religious beliefs.


2 posted on 06/10/2007 4:58:06 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Alien Syndrome
IF she's a Christian, she has more protection within her than whatever she could do externally.

Greater is HE within thee than he that is in the world.

Get saved, honey.

3 posted on 06/10/2007 4:59:54 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: retrokitten

You have to read this to believe it ping.


4 posted on 06/10/2007 5:02:51 PM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: Alien Syndrome

I think this woman needed to be the adult in the situation. If her beliefs are so rigid that she can’t allow a child to read a children’s book aloud, then I think she’s in the wrong position or needs to find a Christian-based school where such conflicts won’t arise.

Actually, having certain things read that might have objectionable content leads to a chance to discuss and analyze the content and develop critical thinking, something in short supply in much of education which could serve the children well later in life.

Instead, she chose to teach children the wrong lesson.


5 posted on 06/10/2007 5:02:56 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Fred, are you in or out?)
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To: Alien Syndrome
"I was put in the position that listening to the child reading this book would compromise my religious beliefs."

Her religious beliefs must be remarkably fragile.
6 posted on 06/10/2007 5:04:09 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Alien Syndrome

A seven year old was reading a book bigger than her head. Sorry, but I find that something to cheer over.

Then again, I’ll probably be standing in line at eleven o’clock with my daughter waiting to buy the last book in the series with a lot of other parents, all of us marvelling over what we are doing.


7 posted on 06/10/2007 5:05:38 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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14 posted on 06/10/2007 6:12:25 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (conservatism as the fusion of libertarianism and traditionalism - John Stuart Mill and Edmund Burke)
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To: Alien Syndrome; Gabz; wolfpat

Oh, how silly! She didn’t have to listen to a 7-year-old “read a Harry Potter book.” The dang things are hundreds of pages long; please don’t drop one on my foot!

At worst, she’d have had to listen to a paragraph. Big FReepin’ deal.

(And for the record, I’m a fundamentalist Christian, okay?)


16 posted on 06/10/2007 6:17:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Oh, a Queen may love her subjects in her heart, and yet be dog-wearied of ’em in body and mind.")
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To: Alien Syndrome

Harry Potter is fantasy folks. Get a freakin’ life. Or did you all become cannibals from reading Hansel and Gretel?


20 posted on 06/10/2007 7:09:40 PM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: Alien Syndrome

To me she sounds like a sour tight a$$ who doesn’t understand or much like children and their need to explore their imaginations.

I would guess that she would also ban “The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe”, “The Hobbit” and any works by Shakespeare.

She reminds me of my first grade teacher Miss Hookway who we not so fondly called “Captain Hook” (behind her back of course). She really resembled Emira Gulch from the Wizzard of Oz (another work of literature this woman would probably ban from her classroom.)

True story, Miss “Captain Hook”, gave us an assignment where we had pictures and words and had to color the pictures and indicate whether the vowels were “hard” or “soft”.

The vowel was the letter “A”. One of the pictures was a glass and the word was “water”.

I completed the assignment and got all the answers right and colored all the pictures except the glass of water.

When I turned it in she told me it wasn’t finished because I didn’t color the water blue. I very politely explained that water isn’t blue, it’s clear.

My reward for being smarter than the teacher was to be kept in from recess. Bi-otch!

When I got home from school, I told my father. He said a very wise thing that has stuck with me these 46 years – “Just because someone is in a position of authority, doesn’t mean that person is always right”.


21 posted on 06/10/2007 7:14:02 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Alien Syndrome
How would liberals act if it was Muslim that was harassed, humiliated and discriminated against because of her religious “beliefs

More to the point: How would religious cons react to a Muslim teacher refusing to let a child read from The Three Little Pigs because it was "against her religion"?

I doubt there'd be much sympathy for the religous nutjob in that instance.

22 posted on 06/10/2007 7:15:51 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (conservatism as the fusion of libertarianism and traditionalism - John Stuart Mill and Edmund Burke)
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To: Alien Syndrome; All

This posting and the thread are one more item for the file on “Why to consider home schooling.”

The best item in the file, however, is still:

Underground History of American Education
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

For the “picture version”, see:
American Education History Tour
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm


24 posted on 06/10/2007 7:39:25 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: abner; altura; Androcles; andyssister; Bigs from the North; Blue Eyes; Caipirabob; ccmovrwc; ...
Owl Post!


28 posted on 06/11/2007 6:13:38 AM PDT by retrokitten ("I don't need you to tell me what I don't want, you stupid hipster dufus!"" -Elain Benes)
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To: Alien Syndrome; retrokitten
Thanks for the ping, rk.

If the Harry Potter novels are so demonically depraved, could someone please explain to me why the children at Hogwarts observe Christian-inspired holidays like Christmas, Easter and Valentine's Day? I've read all six books multiple times and there's not a single mention of any pagan observations other than Halloween.

Yup. No Dancing naked in the moonlight and sex orgies at Beltaine. No driving cattle through smoke from sacred fires at Lammas. Nothing.

30 posted on 06/11/2007 6:24:02 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("You just killed a helicopter with a car!" "I know. I was out of bullets.")
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To: Alien Syndrome
Her last alleged act of "obstructive conduct"

Her last act...if teachers in England have the kind of power that teachers here in the US enjoy, I have to wonder what her first fifty obstructive acts were!

32 posted on 06/11/2007 6:29:01 AM PDT by grellis (Femininists for Fred!)
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To: Alien Syndrome
Does she react similarly to the Wizard of Oz... and if so, why? How weak is her faith if she cannot even listen politely to a FICTIONAL story about some kid who can do "magic"?
34 posted on 06/11/2007 6:30:07 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Alien Syndrome
This is fundamentalism. It is insular, shallow, legalistic, hollow, dead and ugly. While Harry Potter does leave a lot to be desired, it will not "curse" you to read it any more than it "cursed" Paul to read Epimenedes, who was up to his eyeballs in heathen religion, or to read Aratus, a pagan astronomer who praises Zeus. We know Paul read these pagan heathen, idol worshiping unregenerates because he -uh- QUOTED them in evangelizing the scholars on Mars hill in Acts 17.

Fundamentalism is anti-intellectual, and exalts our "obedience" (in reality, our legalism, since so many rules are designed to "protect" us from things not even overtly unbiblical) and downgrades the sovereign protective work of God, as though He were powerless to keep our minds from running off into apostacy if we read "wicked" works.

The ugly effects of this approach are evident to me lately in working with a number of Latino evangelicals. As some know, Guatemala is now over 65% protestant, and El Salvador is over 70%. But when you get with these people (many of whom are VERY sweet and loving and godly persons), you see the same legalistic and unbiblical "rules" approach that characterized American fundamentalism in the 50s and 60s (no wonder! Our missionaries left our bible colleges and seminaries and taught them!). It is the same old stuff. No movies, no make up, no haircuts for women, NO drinking, NO dancing, and varied other prohibitons. It is like stepping back in time. What is really interesting is that there is a kind of a consensus that "Doing these things (or not doing them) is a sign that we are different and not "worldly." This makes us attractive to the unregenerate world." In fact, this obsession with rules keeping is repellent to the unbelieving world around them. When questioned, the unbelievers will often say "I would like to be a Christian. They are really good people. But I don't think I could live that way." Either that, or they are just thought strange.

91 posted on 06/11/2007 9:24:55 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Libertarianism: u can run your life better than government can, and should be left alone to do it)
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