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Grass Roots Roared and Immigration Plan Collapsed
New York Slimes ^ | 6/10/07 | JULIA PRESTON

Posted on 06/09/2007 7:23:26 PM PDT by freespirited

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Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the NYT newsroom when this turkey went down in flames.
1 posted on 06/09/2007 7:23:32 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited
Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the NYT newsroom when this turkey went down in flames.

I wouldn't be too quick to presume the bill is dead

Bush wants Reid to resurrect bill
2 posted on 06/09/2007 7:27:42 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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Supporters of the legislation defended it as an imperfect but pragmatic solution to the difficult problem of illegal immigration.

All they have to do to solve this "difficult problem" is enforce the law. You can't round up 12 million people and escort them all to the border, but you can use the law to punish employers who hire them.

Of course that won't be done until we get some new people in office, at the federal, state, and local levels. It would certainly help to have a strong president who told the truth about this sorry situation.

3 posted on 06/09/2007 7:28:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: freespirited

I think an “imperfect but pragmatic solution” to dealing with the senators that supported this turkey is to kick them all out of their cushy jobs the next time we have a chance to do so.


4 posted on 06/09/2007 7:28:40 PM PDT by Mogollon
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You can't round up 12 million people and escort them all to the border, but you can use the law to punish employers who hire them.

The law will not be enforced if the illegals are not deported.
5 posted on 06/09/2007 7:30:53 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Mogollon

If that means supporting the contender of the opposite party, that would give us a 90+% Pub Senate. Suh-weet.


6 posted on 06/09/2007 7:31:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: freespirited
Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the NYT newsroom when this turkey went down in flames.

They would have had a scoop...about a laughing fly.
7 posted on 06/09/2007 7:31:05 PM PDT by gas0linealley (.good fences make good neighbors)
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To: Mogollon
What the architects of this bill are supposing is that the status quo is an acceptable starting point with which to begin negotiations. In other words, the 12 or 15 or 20 million illegal aliens are here to stay and we REAL Americans are to make further accomodations from said starting point.

In reality, the status quo came about through years of neglect and outright failure to enforce the provisions of the agreement made in the 1986 amnesty bill. Therefore, they have ZERO credibility in demanding that REAL Americans first grant amnesty to unknown millions of FAKE Americans in return for more promises of enforcement.

8 posted on 06/09/2007 7:34:01 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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“These people came in the wrong way, so they don’t belong here, period,” Mrs. Thibodeaux, a Republican, said of some 12 million illegal immigrants.

Yes we agree entirely.

And let it be known.


9 posted on 06/09/2007 7:35:27 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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Dont go inactive TURN THE NOISE UP!
Keep calling and writing demanding enforcement of our laws and border security NOW!


10 posted on 06/09/2007 7:35:53 PM PDT by BhaktaSteve
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To: freespirited

Rush was all over this one.


11 posted on 06/09/2007 7:37:19 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Man50D

This turkey is not flamming yet, there is a smell to this one a real stench that the DC elites really WANT this bill to pass the Senate.

They ignored us during the entire process, why would anyone think they wouldn’t ignore us down the road when we aren’t watching?

“Do not trust these Greeks and that Horse”


12 posted on 06/09/2007 7:37:24 PM PDT by padre35 (GWB chose Amnesty as his hill to die on, not Social Security reform.....that speaks much)
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bump


13 posted on 06/09/2007 7:38:29 PM PDT by VOA
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Quote from Border Patrol Agents Union Thursday

“Every day that President Bush and the Senate hold real border security hostage to their misguided amnesty program, thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens continue to flood into the country”, it said. “We are losing this war and it’s not even close”


14 posted on 06/09/2007 7:38:30 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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"...who were linked by the Internet and encouraged by radio talk show hosts."

Of course, if they were encouraged by liberal newspapers it would be a triumph for free speech, the exchange of ideas and democracies.

Since the dinosaurs are once again late to the party, there is something sinister and eeeeeeeevil about people communicating over their government's actions.

15 posted on 06/09/2007 7:39:37 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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You can't round up 12 million people and escort them all to the border

No, but you can escort them all to secure facilities in the high desert and THEN deport them in convenient groups at leisure.

Yes, of course the employers should be punished - my favorite punishment would be revoking THEIR citizenship - but that's no reason to leave the crimaliens at liberty.

If we could put all the Japs in California, Oregon, and Washington State in camps we can certainly do so with noncitizen lawbreakers.

16 posted on 06/09/2007 7:39:41 PM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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...more promises of enforcement...

Exactly! We've got all the "comprehensive" B.S. we need now.

BUILD THE DAM FENCE ALREADY.

17 posted on 06/09/2007 7:39:52 PM PDT by skimbell
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You can bet the NYT newsroom had a major epidemic of knickers in a twist Thursday after the vote. I find it interesting that they ran this story on a Saturday, the day the fewest number of readers pick up the paper.

Also, "Christopher Sabatini, senior director of policy at the Americas Society/Council of the Americas, which follows Hispanic immigration, described the bill as “born an orphan in terms of popular support.”

It is an orphan because, in a country based on the rule of law, where we are taught about the rule of law rather than the rule of men from a very early age, it is difficult to whip up popular support for a measure that defies the idea of the rule of law. We all have that imprinted on our brains. The people who "negotiated" that bill vastly underestimated the intelligence of the American public, and I think they will live to rue the day. They thought if they said, "Black is white, and this isn't amnesty," often enough, people would believe it. The only people who believed it are a wide swathe of the media, and they are irked that we didn't follow their lead blindly.

18 posted on 06/09/2007 7:40:11 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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I wouldn't be too quick to presume the bill is dead

Reid will only bring this thing up again if he thinks he can use it to help the RATS win the White House next year.

19 posted on 06/09/2007 7:40:55 PM PDT by freespirited
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I want the 800+ miles of fence first. I have let my senators know my sentiments.
20 posted on 06/09/2007 7:41:48 PM PDT by vamoose
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