To: SirLinksalot
Your reasoning is similar to that of gender and ethnic studies professors.
Dr. Shelby Steele recounts how he was approached by a gender studies professor following one of his speeches. The professor asked him why he was not a supporter of gender studies. If I recall correctly, Steele asked if the professor was studying anything that cannot already be studied in existing departments. The professor responded that what she studied could very well be studied in other departments, but institutional bias made it oh-so-difficult. Steele then asked why she didnt choose to publish in an existing department just to fight the good fight. The professor scoffed and left.
Doesnt that institutional bias the professor blamed mirror the witch hunt you speak of?
Thats the key. You think that science wrongly brands creationism as a false science, even though creationism, creation science, and intelligent design all invoke the supernatural to explain natural phenomena. So, why not fight the good fight and show that current science is wrong in its judgment? Use the weapon of the status quo, peer-reviewed journals, to create a new status quo, one that places creationism in its rightful place as a science.
Unless, of course, youre afraid of being ridiculed for attempting to revert science back to pre-Renaissance standards.
To: Abd al-Rahiim
Judging by your latest post, you apparently haven’t yet found that peer-reviewed paper that explains in detail the evolution of the human ear in purely naturalistic terms.
Oh, wait... you weren’t even looking for it? I’m disappointed.
I’ll check back again tomorrow and see if you’ve found it. Until you do, please spare us your regurgitated baloney.
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06/13/2007 1:48:28 PM PDT by
RussP
To: Abd al-Rahiim
Your reasoning is similar to that of gender and ethnic studies professors.
A very nice assertion... now we shall see if the reality fits the hype...
Dr. Shelby Steele recounts how he was approached by a gender studies professor following one of his speeches. The professor asked him why he was not a supporter of gender studies. If I recall correctly, Steele asked if the professor was studying anything that cannot already be studied in existing departments. The professor responded that what she studied could very well be studied in other departments, but institutional bias made it oh-so-difficult.
There's only one problem with your illustration...Gender studies department are OFFICIALLY recognized in many of our university and their so-called professors are TENURED and are *NOT* being hounded out of their positions. When they publish outrageous articles, few are demanding their ouster and they are SECURE in their position.
This isn't the case with those who even show a smattering of sympathy for Intelligent Design, like Sternberg, who was hounded to death for allowing an ID-Sympathetic article to be published in the proceedings. That's just one example by the way. I can count several others.
So... on this count alone the analogy you give is not apt at all. I wonder how many more bogus analogies there will be....
Steele then asked why she didnt choose to publish in an existing department just to fight the good fight. The professor scoffed and left.
And here we go to the CRUX of the matter that's DIFFERENT. ID proponents WANT to have their papers in an existing department to fight the good fight, it is the existing status quo that is so closed minded, they won't allow them to be published. And when some article gets published, you see howls of protests and THREATS from Darwinists. What's the fear ? If you have reason on your side, you should be able to come back with a refuting article.
Doesnt that institutional bias the professor blamed mirror the witch hunt you speak of?
Absolutely not as the DIFFERENCES I cited show.
Thats the key.
NOPE. The key does not fit.
You think that science wrongly brands creationism as a false science, even though creationism, creation science, and intelligent design all invoke the supernatural to explain natural phenomena.
Again, I repeat --- you are confusing Creationism with the Intelligent Design Movement the two share some similarities but are different. As I said before -- study the ID movement and you will be better educated.
So, why not fight the good fight and show that current science is wrong in its judgment?
That's EXACTLY what ID proponents are doing if in case you aren't paying attention ---- Trying to get their papers in peer reviewed journals ( even if biased people are fighting it ), getting their papers reviewed by scientists who are open-minded and sympathetic to their ideas, writing books, writing articles, arguing, reasoning, publishing, going on interviews, creating alternative educational materials... convincing people one at a time and of course -- DOING MAINSTREAM RESEARCH. This is part of fighting the good fight. What do you think these efforts are ( see the article in this thread ) ? Chopped liver ?
Use the weapon of the status quo, peer-reviewed journals,
Yes, and when they get published ( see the experience of poor Dr. Sternberg ), what kind of reception do they get ? Do they get scientific arguments ? Or do they get practically censored ?
to create a new status quo, one that places creationism in its rightful place as a science.
The more you write things like these, the more you show your ignorance of the ID movement.
Unless, of course, youre afraid of being ridiculed for attempting to revert science back to pre-Renaissance standards.
Look who is talking.... First, eliminate the censorship and eliminate the threats of losing your job, and then we'll talk but not until.
And BTW, inspite of the fact that Darwinists in high positions are threatening ID sympathetic Scientists like Guillermo Gonzalez with loss of tenure, what has the censorship effort accomplished thus far ?
RESULT : THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT DARWINIST EXPECT.
A recent survey ( see other threads and this poll by USA TODAY : )
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-06-07-evolution-poll-results_n.htm
show that MORE PEOPLE THAN BEFORE ( close to 70%) think that the statement, Creationism, that is, the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years is definitely or probably true.
Makes me wonder how much public money Darwin lobbies in high science will screw out of US taxpayers in order to try to change their minds - with about as much success as they have had in the past - zilch.
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