Posted on 06/08/2007 10:35:59 AM PDT by Colofornian
WASHINGTON - It's Mormon lore, a story passed along by some old-timers about the importance of their faith and their country.
In the latter days, the story goes, the U.S. Constitution will hang by a thread and a Mormon will ride in on a metaphorical white horse to save it. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says it does not accept the legend - commonly referred to as the "White Horse Prophecy" - as doctrine.
The issue, however, has been raised on those occasions when Mormons have sought the Oval Office: George Romney was asked about it during his bid in 1968, Sen. Orrin Hatch discussed it when he ran in 2000, and now Mitt Romney.
"It is being raised," says Phil Barlow, a professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University. "I've heard it a bit lately."
Romney says he doesn't believe in the supposed prophecy, nor did his father when he ran.
"I haven't heard my name associated with it or anything of that nature," Mitt Romney told The Salt Lake Tribune during an interview earlier this year. "That's not official church doctrine. There are a lot of things that are speculation and discussion by church members and even church leaders that aren't official church doctrine. I don't put that at the heart of my religious belief."
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy.
"You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed," the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. "It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber."
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
"Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion," the prophecy says.
The LDS Church denounces the premonition, which was recorded 10 years after Smith's death. A church spokesman pointed to a quote from the faith's sixth president, Joseph F. Smith, who called the prophecy "ridiculous."
"It is simply false; that is all there is to it," the church prophet was quoted saying.
Joseph Smith, who Mormons believe found ancient gold plates and transcribed them into the Book of Mormon, ran for president in 1844, a year after he supposedly told of the White Horse Prophecy. Smith was murdered by a mob shortly thereafter.
So far, it hasn't been overtly discussed in reference to Romney's bid, but he told The Tribune previously that it was raised in the 1968 presidential run of his father, George Romney.
"It came up in the race, but he didn't believe in it," the younger Romney said in 1999.
In fact, George Romney said there are different interpretations of what Smith and Brigham Young, another Mormon prophet, were saying, according to a 1967 edition of Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought:
"I have always felt that they meant that sometime the question of whether we are going to proceed on the basis of the Constitution would arise and at this point government leaders who were Mormons would be involved in answering that question," George Romney was quoted as saying.
In the 2000 presidential race, the prophecy again made news during Hatch's failed bid for the White House. The Utah Republican and Mormon commented on the Constitution hanging by a thread during a radio interview, fanning thoughts of whether he was referring to the prophecy. Hatch says he was not referencing the premonition.
Mitt Romney has faced a barrage of questions about his religion from the news media but few in public from voters. One man in New Hampshire last week told Romney he wouldn't vote for him because Romney's a Mormon. But the guy added that he was a liberal and voting for Hillary Clinton.
On the trail, Romney talks generally about his belief in God but does not engage in doctrinal debate over details of his faith. He declines often to go into the specific tenets of the Mormon religion, saying that he is not a spokesperson for his church.
Ann Marie Curling, a Mormon in Kentucky who backs Romney, knows of the prophecy but puts no stock in it.
"It's definitely not playing into why I support him," says Curling, who runs a pro-Romney blog.
She says the few who believe in the prophecy are in the "extreme" fringes of the faith. "I don't see it being the reason everyday LDS persons are supporting him."
While the LDS Church does not accept the White Horse Prophecy as doctrine, several former leaders of the faith have spoken of the threat to the Constitution at various times, according to research by George Cobabe, who studied the prophecy's origins for the Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research. The group's mission is to defend the church and correct misunderstandings.
He says the concept of religious people saving the Constitution in the last days is a common theme for many faiths, but adds the White Horse Prophecy is bunk.
"I don't think the White Horse Prophecy is fair to bring up at all," he says. "It's been rejected by every church leader that has talked about it. It has nothing to do with anything."
Barlow, the Utah State University professor, says probably 10 percent to 20 percent of Mormons in America have heard of the prophecy by name but that many more have likely heard bits and pieces of it.
"It's dubious whether this originated with Joseph Smith but it seems to have a life of its own," Barlow says. "While most Mormons may not have heard of it, there are some themes that have some currency."
The main theme is the apocalyptic end of the world and the phrase that the Constitution - which Mormons believe was divinely inspired - will "hang by a thread."
Still, Barlow says it's doubtful the so-called prophecy will make a big splash during the campaign.
"It's too esoteric than bigger things like polygamy that will get brought up," he says, referring to the practice of marrying multiple wives that the church officially denounced in 1890.
I guess since it’s in the Salt Lake Tribune, probably coming from a Mormon, it’s okay to discuss the religion in a political context????/
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“While the LDS Church does not accept the White Horse Prophecy as doctrine, several former leaders of the faith have spoken of the threat to the Constitution at various times, according to research by George Cobabe, who studied the prophecy’s origins for the Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research. The group’s mission is to defend the church and correct misunderstandings.
He says the concept of religious people saving the Constitution in the last days is a common theme for many faiths, but adds the White Horse Prophecy is bunk.
“I don’t think the White Horse Prophecy is fair to bring up at all,” he says. “It’s been rejected by every church leader that has talked about it. It has nothing to do with anything.”
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Micael Moore et.al. have made hundreds of millions spouting conspiracy theories, and to detrimental effect. This will make the theories about the Bush’s involvement in Skull and Crossbones look like amateur hour. Is it fair to Romney? Maybe not, but this white horse will be beat to death.
Romney Opposes the Boy Scouts’ Ban on Homosexual Scoutmasters
Despite the over 2,500 pedophilia cases now on record involving homosexual scout leaders, Romney stated, “I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.” In the same article, a BSA official criticized Romney for opposing Scout policy. — Boston Globe, 10/27/1994
“Romney Opposes the Boy Scouts’ Ban on Homosexual Scoutmasters”
How much you wanna bet that Guliani, McCain, Thompson, and all the others will give the same response if asked that question.
Romney:
We are living in a PC world, and I am a PC girl..er..boy.
Times are changing. We have to pick our battles and get a candidate who can unite the party. I think Romney can do that, despite what he thinks about this issue. Ultimately, that issue will be decided in the courts.
I betcha Thompson wouldn’t . . . just because so far he’s seemed to avoid mine fields.
Yeah, he is a anti-gun putz, no matter what he says to convince the myopic gun-owning hunting types to vote for him.
(How much more could you care less?)
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"Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion," the prophecy says.
Reminds me of Washington's Prophecy. It's not an uncommon thread.
“I betcha Thompson wouldn’t . . . just because so far he’s seemed to avoid mine fields.”
I bet he would. To say anything else these days would put any person directly into the line of fire by all the liberal media. It would be political suicide, IMO.
...probably because he’s at home watching Wheel of Fortune.
I don't think this is a minor thing, and oops I didn't really mean it doesn't cut it with me. If the republicans run him, I'm not biting.
“Ah you found one of the prominent ones already.”
...one of the prominent *what*
Not that I believe that crap but in a way the prophecy is fulfilled. Without Utah’s electoral vote, Gore and Kerry would have been president. ;)
since Hunter at least has already said he supported the boy scouts, I will take you for as much as you have.
“Hunter at least has already said he supported the boy scouts”
He has not stated publicly that he does not support the political correctness being forced on the Boy Scouts organization though, right?
(don’t have much, BTW, grin)
You people really are the biggest wimps on the planet. Go back to France!
Favoring gays as Boy Scout leaders is an idiotic liberal position that common sense people of all political stripes find objectionable.
This issue is one of those issues which will cause people to refuse to vote. Even if it means someone like Hillary wins. People like me. I refused to vote for Dole and I won't vote for Rudy, McCain, or Romney either. Period.
I am answerable to God and the lesser of two evils is still evil. I am not going to be judged on whether or not the United States stands or falls. I will be judged on my obedience to the mandates of God, as revealed through the Bible. I can't make decisions based on what is less unpleasant or what is easiest.
There is no debate here, and I am not alone, which the Republican party refuses to learn from. I am not a member of a political party, and owe none of them my allegiance.
Mitt has the strongest executive experience and this is a time when we need an executive, not a legislator (McCain, Thompson, etc.).
They will not debate, they either shout you down or attempt to say that only a "racist", "idiot", or "sexist" would have a differing view from them.
I'm not a Romney supporter, nor am I am member of the LDS Church. But, it kills me that they seem to hate this guy simply for having a religion that differs from their's.
Loud APPLAUSE!!!!
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