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Man-made microbe 'to create endless biofuel' ["God has competition."]
The Telegraph ^ | 6/8/2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 06/07/2007 11:24:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

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“God has competition.”

Famous Last Words.


21 posted on 06/07/2007 11:56:27 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not going to pitch you inside too much, but isn’t our God bigger than DNA?

The scientific method is a gift to the fallen mankind. How man uses it is what differentiates Good from Evil.


22 posted on 06/07/2007 11:56:51 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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To: IslandJeff

The worry is that God is going to go the way of Katrina and the Waves — a couple of fun singles but no staying power. Once we understand DNA well enough to create designer organisms, it’s all over. It’s like the time you were first able to read TV Guide and didn’t need to trust your parents to tell you what’s on.


23 posted on 06/08/2007 12:02:56 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: D-fendr

That would be like people claiming to be Hindus and Buddhists announcing a way to cheat karma.


24 posted on 06/08/2007 12:03:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: hotshu

In that story, the virus with impossible properties was alien. The human error was to inadvertently introduce it into the earth’s atmosphere, while its nature remained unknown. In this case we are contemplating a production of the human intellect, which seems to follow the moral pattern of Cat’s Cradle, even if the novel’s premise was based on simple physics instead of biology.


25 posted on 06/08/2007 12:06:09 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: bruinbirdman

If they can make ethanol, perhaps they can make crude oil, instead.

Otherwise we wind up with a lot of idle refinery capacity and unemployed refinery and oil industry workers.

Plus we wouldn’t need to modify our vehicles. And finally we could flood the world with our synthetic crude oil, drive the price down, and harm our mortal mideast enemies.


26 posted on 06/08/2007 12:07:27 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: ConsistentLibertarian

Tinkering with the created order is nothing new. The consequences when it begins to undermine man’s own station are something else. This is like a bunch of untalented hacks taking over Hollywood by force and forcing their own TV programs on everybody.


27 posted on 06/08/2007 12:08:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: chuckles

“It is part of an effort to create designer bugs to manufacture hydrogen and biofuels, as well as absorb carbon dioxide and other harmful greenhouse gases.”

In the year 2112: “Efforts at defeating the microbe have not worked and crops continue to fail due to the cold climate, lack of CO2, and increased amounts of hydrogen in the atmosphere.”


28 posted on 06/08/2007 12:12:53 AM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: truth_seeker

Even such things as how the microbes in the guts of termites turn otherwise indigestible cellulose into energy for these bugs, is virtually unknown at present. This project sounds like a (pardon the specific religious reference) hail Mary pass. Being able to reproduce on large scale what happens in termite guts is likely going to take much studied research.


29 posted on 06/08/2007 12:14:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Exactly!

And if you’ve got a better product than Hollywood, you can sell it and ruin the competition.

Free markets are ‘da bomb.

Thank God the market for organisms is finally opening up. He’s been at it for a long time with diappointing results.


30 posted on 06/08/2007 12:15:55 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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Efforts at defeating the microbe have not worked

Anything which could get out and cause mischief like that, should, ethically speaking, be made as controllable as possible. As in vulnerable to dozens of completely different antibiotics.

31 posted on 06/08/2007 12:16:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: ConsistentLibertarian

Think what happens when the sellers become the sold.


32 posted on 06/08/2007 12:17:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ahhhhh.

You’re thinking we shouldn’t make a big move like that without an exit strategy.

Hmmmm.

I grant you that’s a weighty consideration. But it’s not decisive. Look at Iraq, for example.


33 posted on 06/08/2007 12:19:17 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian

I for one would be a mite disappointed to see it work TOO well and find what had been our forests, gardens, and crops reduced to pools of oil where they stand, followed shortly by the suffocation of all breathing animal and human life.


34 posted on 06/08/2007 12:25:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Your termite reference isn't really true. They have a similar chemical process going on now that you may have heard of when they talk about "switch grass" ethanol. They already can make cellulose into ethanol. The problem is making the chemical economically on an industrial scale. If they could get some reproducible "bug" to do it, we're in like Flynn.

Making ethanol now is cheap because yeast reproduces itself when exposed to sugar. Of course this cellulose "bug" could get loose and eat all our crops and houses, and grass, and forests, and........, well, at least the whole planet could get loaded with the ethanol they produced. We would need a bunch of Coke, or tonic or something though.

35 posted on 06/08/2007 12:27:17 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

The termites do not run on ethanol, they run on sugars. But even the termite gut chemistry is a complex bit of symbiosis that hasn’t been well explicated.


36 posted on 06/08/2007 12:32:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: bruinbirdman

“It is part of an effort to create designer bugs to manufacture hydrogen and biofuels, as well as absorb carbon dioxide and other harmful greenhouse gases.”

Hmmm. A bug that destroys or “eats” water vapor.


37 posted on 06/08/2007 12:33:35 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The Christian’s dogma was run over by the Buddist’s karma.


38 posted on 06/08/2007 12:34:47 AM PDT by Sir Clean Plate Club (Gore feels things are getting warmer because he is on his way to Hell)
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“b.) A custom-designed microbe that eats liberals while producing biofuel suitable for motor vehicles would be a true “win win” product.”

LOL! I’m in the presence of greatness.

39 posted on 06/08/2007 12:35:33 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: chuckles

http://www.cptr.ua.edu/kudzu/


40 posted on 06/08/2007 12:38:44 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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