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Cannabis compound slows lung cancer in mice
NewScientist.com news service ^ | June 7, 2007 | Roxanne Khamsi

Posted on 06/07/2007 12:39:03 PM PDT by AU72

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To: ColdWater
This is not medical marijuana. It is THC concentrated at the site and KILLS the cells. Shows that THC is NOT beneficial to healthy cells.

Two points:

First, injecting too much of the latter half of your namesake will kill cells too. Does that mean that we need to ban water?

Second, the effect of something on cancerous cells is not necessarily the same as that on healthy cells. 

 

41 posted on 06/07/2007 2:28:54 PM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: zeugma
First, injecting too much of the latter half of your namesake will kill cells too. Does that mean that we need to ban water?

Who said anything about banning THC?

42 posted on 06/07/2007 2:30:32 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: zeugma

One problem with this type of “chemotherapy” is that it could not be used in conjunction with normal chemotherapy or radiation treatments. It could be of possible benefit for those that are considering only surgery.


43 posted on 06/07/2007 2:32:23 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
One problem with this type of “chemotherapy” is that it could not be used in conjunction with normal chemotherapy or radiation treatments. It could be of possible benefit for those that are considering only surgery.

Actually, I think it's too soon to say where this research will end. Early reports are promising, but the devil is in the details. 

44 posted on 06/07/2007 2:35:07 PM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: Rightfootforward
My husband was diagnosed with EC in December '06. He completed chemo, is now on radiation/chemo and may or may not go onto surgery --- depends on his response to the rad/chemo treatments.

He was not a smoker or a drinker ... and was fairly athletic.

Esophageal Cancer is one of the most wicked types of cancer to have.

Something to consider ... THINK YOUR HEARTBURN IS NO BIG DEAL? THINK AGAIN.

Even if your heartburn or acid reflux symptoms are under control, damage may already be done... damage to the lining of your esophagus that puts you at risk for a serious health problem. It's Barrett's Esophagus and if it is not diagnosed, monitored and treated, it can quickly lead to Esophageal Cancer. The incidence of Barrett's Esophagus has increased 400% since the mid-1970's. Esophageal Cancer is the fastest growing cancer in America.

Don't just take the little purple pill if your symptoms persist. Get the facts about acid reflux and your health by talking to board-certified gastroenterologist if you have any symptoms.

45 posted on 06/07/2007 2:52:58 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: zeaal

Excellent, excellent post. You loaded it with a lot of very important information. I hope a great many people read it.

Our pal Barry’s only symptom was that he was experiencing a bit of trouble swallowing. He said he was tempted to ignore it at first but ultimately decided to mention it to his wife. Good thing he did because she “instructed” him to see his doc post haste. He’s grateful today that he did.

All the best to you and to your husband! I’ll say lots of prayers for both of you.


46 posted on 06/07/2007 3:25:17 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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To: Rightfootforward
Thank you for your prayers.

My husband's only symptom was having the sensation like something was getting stuck when he would swallow food. It started in August during a Chinese meal and he figured it was the water chestnuts. He would have the sensation every once in a while and not really think too much of it. In November '06 he began to experience it more often. By early December he was making the appointment with the doctor. Saw his GP on Monday, Dec 11, Gastro on Tuesday, Dec 12 and had an endoscope on Thursday, Dec 14. Found a tumor the size of a cigarette pack at the base of his esophagus. Started Chemo Dec 27.

So, YES, if you experience trouble swallowing --- SEE YOUR DOC, or rather have your doc see you through an endoscope. It could save your life!

47 posted on 06/07/2007 4:28:40 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"Notice how they used synthetic THC, instead of natural extract."

They're researchers. They need to know the exact amount. Simply blowing marijuana smoke into the lungs of the mice makes for a poor study.

"They then began giving half of these mice daily injections of about 250 micrograms of synthetic THC."

Probably equivalent to a human smoking 6,000 marijuana cigarettes per day. But count on the dopers to claim smoking pot cures cancer.

48 posted on 06/09/2007 6:23:56 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Probably equivalent to a human smoking 6,000 marijuana cigarettes per day. But count on the dopers to claim smoking pot cures cancer.

I think marijuana's active ingredients hold a lot of promise. Of course you're right about the amount given the mice. They do that with a lot of substances they're testing. Remember red dye #2?

Marijuana has been shown to help glaucoma, macular degeneration, and nausea caused by many things including chemotherapy. I believe that God put these substances on earth for a reason. I keep voting to legalize, the rest of us do, it passes, then the courts tell us we're stupid and invalidate our vote. I don't smoke pot.

Btw, just make brownies. That way you don't need to blow pot smoke directly into the mouse's lungs ;-)

49 posted on 06/09/2007 9:20:59 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: AU72

Did the mice continue to smoke after their cancer was slowed?


50 posted on 06/09/2007 9:25:20 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"I think marijuana's active ingredients hold a lot of promise."

Promise for ... what? First of all, it cures nothing. It's used to relieve symptoms. Second, for each of the conditions you mentioned there are already 10 FDA approved drugs out there proven do the job better and safer.

Yes, scientists are researching some compounds contained within marijuana that appear to help with some diseases. But to conclude that smoking marijuana is therefore beneficial is like saying that because some chemical compound contained in gasoline helps with sore muscles, gasoline is safe to drink.

Lastly, if you, as an investor, had $50 million to invest in medical research, would you spend that money on researching marijuana for glaucoma?

51 posted on 06/10/2007 5:58:37 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

What’s wrong with alleviating symptoms with an inexpensive remedy?

How many of those 10 FDA approved drugs will be the subject of class action lawsuits, driven by ambulance chasing lawyers?

Marijuana also helps out with the nausea associated with chemotherapy. You cannot deny that it also improves the appetite, LOL!

I honestly cannot answer your question to whether I would invest 50 million in anything. It goes over my head. I can’t even afford to get a second hand car, right now.

I’d like to see a more active role in homeopathic medicine. Sometimes the old ways are still very relevant, but don’t pull in the big profits.


52 posted on 06/10/2007 3:55:53 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"Marijuana also helps out with the nausea associated with chemotherapy."

We already have drugs that do that. And since when do hospitals allow smoking?

Home grown or street marijuana may contain salmonella bacteria and/or aspergillus fungus -- unpleasant for a healthy person, but deadly to an immunosuppressed patient on chemo.

"What’s wrong with alleviating symptoms with an inexpensive remedy?"

I believe I just answered that question.

"Sometimes the old ways are still very relevant, but don’t pull in the big profits."

Then don't complain that there's no medical marijuana research going on -- the pharmaceuticals also realize that any marijuana discovery they make will simply play into the hands of those who want to smoke it, not take a pill.

53 posted on 06/11/2007 3:55:48 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

You wouldn’t by chance work for the pharmaceutical industry, would you?

Just asking. First of all, most chemo is done on an out patient basis. Second, homegrown anything is suspectable to mold and toxins, but I’d rather grow my own spinach after what happened recently. In fact, I have a chub of Moran hamburger in my freezer that I plan to return, even though the date is slightly more recent that the recall dates.

Don’t be disingenious about bugs being dangerous to people with supressed immune systems. Hospitals and care facilities (and apparently jails)are hotbeds for things like MRSA. Who are in these facilities? Sick people, that’s who. Oh, by the way, marijuana hasn’t been shown to affect the liver and a few other organs, unlike some of the magical potions from drug companies.

I don’t smoke pot. If it were legal, I would for pain and nausea. To be honest, I did take a couple of hits several Christmases ago, so I could stand for 6 hours and cook a huge feast for my dear children. /s (except for a couple of them)

Now that we have hopefully gotten marijuana done, how about Milk Thistle extract (liver function), St. John’s Wort(natural antidepressant), echinacea (colds, etc), and a few others? They don’t feed the damn lawyers, that’s for sure.

Bottom line, the Lord put these substances on this earth for a good reason, although I can’t come up with one for magic mushrooms. Can you imagine going through surgery, or controlling post surgery pain, without opium deriviates?

Did you know people have been known to abuse opium deriviates? It’s called Heroin :( Cocaine also has its legitimate uses, one being that the native Peruvians chewed the leaves to deal with the high altitude? It’s also used in surgeries, or at least used to be.

If you feel the need to freak out over marijuana, I’ll give you a much better target: Meth. It not only kills the user, it turns the user in a psychopath first. There is nothing remotely natural about Meth. Meth is garbage cooked down into a lethal concoction, and apparently it will hook you quick. Meth users will steal the paint off your picket fence. We just had tools come up missing from the garage. We know who did it, but we can’t prove it. B@stard had the nerve to come up to borrow the phone soon after. Told my son he came over to see if we knew. We know. We moved all the way up here to keep away from these zombies, but they’re everywhere living with enabling relatives. So if you want to yell and scream, think about drugs like meth.

Have a great evening :)


54 posted on 06/11/2007 7:06:15 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"Second, homegrown anything is suspectable to mold and toxins"

Then why take the chance? It's not as though there aren't any alternatives.

"how about Milk Thistle extract (liver function), St. John’s Wort(natural antidepressant), echinacea (colds, etc), and a few others?"

Gee, you left out Ephedra, Chaparral, Comfrey, Yohimbe, Germander and a couple of other goodies. But you bring up an important issue -- what about drug interactions between the herbs you listed and prescription drugs? Being familiar with chemotherapy, you would know that St. John's Wort interferes with irinotecan. Right?

55 posted on 06/12/2007 5:34:45 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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