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To: Puddleglum
Good grief - you can disagree with him on foreign policy but the man does espouse a strong conviction for protecting citizens' civil liberties (Bill of Rights).

No he doesn't. He advocates doing NOTHING. Do Nothing does NOT protect the Civil Liberties of the public at large. It merely rewards those willing to engage in illegality.

We, as a society, have a right to protect ourselves from those who mean us harm. The instrument of that protect is OUR Govt. Govt of, by and for the people.

People like Paul who are more afraid of the duly elected Govt of the US they they are of terrorists thugs who have the blood of thousands of Americans on their hands are NOT "protecting our civil liberties" but unwittingly aiding the terrorists.

1,507 posted on 06/05/2007 6:28:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: MNJohnnie
The instrument of that protect[ion] is OUR Govt. Govt of, by and for the people.

On the other hand, I think Dr. Paul understands very well that the Bill of Rights is intended to protect us against threats government itself can pose. In the long run, excessive government power is the biggest threat of all.

1,547 posted on 06/05/2007 6:42:15 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: MNJohnnie

“People like Paul who are more afraid of the duly elected Govt of the US they they are of terrorists thugs who have the blood of thousands of Americans on their hands are NOT “protecting our civil liberties” but unwittingly aiding the terrorists.”

He’s right to be more afraid of Government than a ragtag band of Muslims, because Government’s influence can extend to every corner of our country.

How soon we forget history... Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force. And, like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
- George Washington

Man is not free unless government is limited.
- Ronald Reagan

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
- Thomas Jefferson

The terrorists can kill many of our citizens but they can’t defeat us or what we stand for. If we lose control of our government on the other hand, we lose our freedoms and we lose everything.

It’s hardly a Conservative position to believe Government is always your best friend. The Democrat Party controls a large part of the government, would you then say the country has nothing to fear from the Democrat party? History has taught us that governments can and will betray their citizens if the people lose control.

Would you look at this Government which refuses to secure our borders, which refuses to stop illegal immigration, and conclude that we’re in control? I would say that we lost control years ago and it’s getting worse all the time. Ron Paul offers to bring control back to the people, I wont say he’s the only candidate who does, but he’s definitely one of them. He doesn’t deserve to be ridiculed by Conservatives for that position.


1,607 posted on 06/05/2007 7:03:34 PM PDT by grizzly84
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