[SJackson]

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[caveat emptor]

But the pressure for a Palestinian state is no less impressive

I thought there was one already: Jordan.

[Mamzelle]

The biggest loser in Bush's determination to alienate Joe Sixpack will be Israel.

1) Evangelicals will splinter. Years of being treated as the red-headed stepchild by the GOP will finally bear fruit as the "Rick Warren" Christians start moving toward the Dems. Funny how the Dems don't act ashamed of evangelicals--and conservative Christians are about the only support Israel has in the US.

2) Joe Sixpack will rethink Iraq, now that he has lost trust in the GOP.

[George W. Bush]

We shouldn't let Bush or Rice travel to or speak about Israel again. Their failures are so abject there is no reason to pay any attention to either of them on Israel's security and internal or foreign policy.

Israel needs to do what it must to secure its own security and ignore world and American opinion. And ignore any threats about the American aid that has debilitated their economy and turned it toward a socialist client model.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Ping!

[Ancesthntr]

I don't know why anyone is stumped - not at this late date. Oh, initially, Bush sounded very pro-Israel. However, in the end he proved to be no different than his father, except that he was better at hiding his true intentions. And what are those intentions? In my view, making Israel as small and dependent on US aid and protection as possible, making Israel an offshore R&D center for our high-tech industries and nothing more - so as to please big donors and not piss off the Arabs friends of his family and his associates.

Yeah, this is a highly jaundiced view of Bush & Co., but what else is one to think? Every single time there's been a terrorist incident or act of war against Israel and its citizens, we get the nonsense that Israel needs to restrain itself, that the "poor Palesinians" need more time or that Israel has to have more patience, blah, blah, blah. THEY'RE FREAKIN' TERRORISTS!!!! What would the US do if a bunch of ungoverned bandits invaded our territory and murdered our citizens...oh, wait, no need to actually ask the question, since IT HAPPENED ALREADY!! Pancho Villa and his murderous thugs invaded the US and killed a bunch of our citizens - and even limpwrist Woodrow Wilson sent Blackjack Pershing and literally half of the army into Mexico for nearly a year trying to track him down and kill him.

What would the US do if the Mexicans or Canadians started lobbing missiles over our border and killing people? We'd flatten the entire launch site with B-52s, then follow up with a ground invasion to make certain we got all of the bastards.

But Israel is different. There's no clearer case of a nation and people that are "with us," and no clearer case of an enemy that is "against us," yet Bush can't seem to really bring Israel in as our ally nor condemn and take actual, effective action against the Palestinians. The latest is that he wants to cajole Israel into giving $700 million to Hamas!!!! Is Bush INSANE?? Seriously, if that's a good idea, maybe we should give Al Quaida a few billion bucks.

I literally can think of no more suicidal policy for the leader of Western Civilization to take than to handcuff, verbally abuse and otherwise restrain an avowed ally of decades, which has been on the front lines against terrorists of the sort WE are now, finally fighting, which has irreplaceable intelligence and knowledge of how to effectively guard civilians and fight these animals - while simultaneously coddling and even subsidizing the "other" terrorists (i.e. the non-Al Quaida ones) at the behest of nations that gave birth and support to the Al Quaida terrorists. To quote Charleton Heston in "Planet of the Apes," ITS A MADHOUSE!!! A MADHOUSE!!!

[familyop]

Our government should stop funding terrorism, but they are too proud to listen to riff-raff like myself. They assume that they’ll get votes from us again in a little over eight years, after the Democrats have their gang’s turn in office.