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No one will be real surprised to learn a Vietnamese spy was working as a jounralist for the MSM. (In this case, he worked for Time magazine.)

I'm suprised that his former co-workers continued to admire him and keep on friendly terms even after they learned he was spying for the North, and that his information helped kill Americans.

Honestly, for all the complaints here about the MSM, I don't enjoy seeing them as the "enemy" of the U.S. and U.S. military. Unfortunately, they sometimes seem determined to take on that role.

1 posted on 06/02/2007 9:56:45 AM PDT by 68skylark
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Gee, I’m shocked.


2 posted on 06/02/2007 9:58:38 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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Ben Stein has a great column about this guy, and his relations with the U.S. media

A New Yorker Kind of Guy
By Ben Stein
Published 6/9/2005 12:09:02 AM

If you wanted to see the perfect example of the ethical and moral collapse of the Mainstream Media, you could not do better than a long article in the New Yorker of May 23, 2005. The article is entitled, "The Spy Who Loved Us." Written by a teacher at the University of Albany, named Thomas Bass, it's about a man named Pham Xuan An. Now very old, An was -- among many other things -- a correspondent in Saigon during the Vietnam War for Time magazine. He was apparently considered a particularly brilliant and well-informed correspondent and very well liked by his colleagues in the Western press corps during the war.

He was also a Communist spy, working for the North Vietnamese, informing them of what he knew about American military plans, troop movements, political agendas.

He even helped the Communists win large battles by directing Vietcong and North Vietnamese troops against American and South Vietnamese forces. He helped plan the Tet Offensive of 1968, including helping the man who planned the attack on the U.S. Embassy. This was the offensive where thousands of innocent civilians were massacred by the Communists.

When the war ended, An offered to go to the U.S. and continue spying for the Communists there. The offer was denied and he lives quietly in Ho Chi Minh City, where, among other pets, he keeps fighting cocks -- a practice generally considered barbaric in the circles of New Yorker readers, but another sign of his cuteness to Professor Bass. In fact, the whole article is about how cute and smart and clever and brave a guy An is. A lovable, brilliant, brave man who sent Americans and innocent civilians to their deaths. Bass even explains that almost all of An's former colleagues in the Western press still love the guy after learning he was a spy for America's enemy in the Vietnam War. They even gave money to bring him here for an auld lang syne visit not long ago.

In this article, which I would guess to be about 8,000 words or more, there is not one hint, not one whisper, of sympathy for the American soldiers who fought and died or were maimed in Vietnam. Not one sliver of anger at a man who took American money and helped kill Americans. Not a word about the mass murder of civilians during Tet.

Prof. Bass, the perfect modern academic, obviously greatly admires this man, spent days with him, and has not one bad word to say about An's bosses, who, again, killed civilians without remorse by the thousands, who even sent An to be "re-educated" after the war because he had so much contact with Western ideas.

I am not sure how many mothers or fathers or children or widows of Vietnam war casualties read the New Yorker. I am not sure if anyone who edited the piece -- and it is edited well, although utterly without moral input -- had friends or family who fought there (such as my late father in law, Col. Dale Denman, Jr.). But how insulting, how insulting must an article like this be to them. How insulting it is to us all: to lavish praise on a man who helped kill our fellow Americans, to describe him in endearing terms, to try to make him seem like a kindly uncle.

If the New Yorker is one of the flagships of the Mainstream Media fleet, they are sailing in maddeningly disloyal, contemptuous waters and obviously have been for a while. Small wonder the media gloried in Mark Felt and Watergate last week. In those days, Americans actually trusted the Mainstream Media. The New Yorker piece by Prof. Bass makes it clear how wrong we were. He's a fine writer but a man whose piece lacks any moral compass at all. And what of the fellow journalists in Saigon cheering him on? Now we know a bit more about why the war turned out as it did.

3 posted on 06/02/2007 9:59:45 AM PDT by 68skylark
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This is beyond appalling. First of all that a man who helped kill U.S troops is allowed to become an American citizen without even serving jail time, and that his colleagues in the press and academia still dmire him.

This says more about the MSM and academia than it does about him.


4 posted on 06/02/2007 9:59:54 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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Silly me. You mean there was only one? And here I thought every “journalist” working the Vietnam beat during the war was a commie.


6 posted on 06/02/2007 10:00:45 AM PDT by mort56
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Thanks to Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit for pointing out this story. The permalink is here.
7 posted on 06/02/2007 10:01:15 AM PDT by 68skylark
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One of hundreds, if not thousands, since the WWII era. Of course the useful idiots love them.


8 posted on 06/02/2007 10:02:55 AM PDT by M203M4 (Vote Fruity Giuliani or the terrists will win! Abortion & gun control = price for freedumb!)
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Where does An rank as a spy?

I consider him to be one of the great spies of the 20th century.

He didn’t spy for money or glory. He spied just for his country.

Whether he was an enemy or not, I consider that a noble thing.


Pretending to be s journalist and getting AMERICANS killed is a “NOBLE THING”?

This author probably considers terrorist “noble” since they are doing the SAME THING now.

11 posted on 06/02/2007 10:04:40 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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>>An, who died in 2006, was a longtime spy for the Communist Party in Vietnam and is credited with playing a major role in Vietnam’s victory over the United States.<<

Vietnam’s “victory” over the United States was made possible solely by the Democrat-controlled Congress. The Dems were traitors then and traitors now.

That aside, word that a commie spy was in the employ of Time magazine surely set Clarie Booth Luce spinnin’ in her grave.


12 posted on 06/02/2007 10:04:43 AM PDT by KingSnorky
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but, but, but only American journalist are spys.


13 posted on 06/02/2007 10:05:49 AM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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“his former co-workers continued to admire him and keep on friendly terms even after they learned he was spying’

I can’t find that in the article even after reading it twice. Would you please quote that datum?


14 posted on 06/02/2007 10:06:30 AM PDT by gcruse
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Question: How did Pham Xuan An become so successful as a spy?

Let me answer that one. He was successful because the journalists were on his side. Even if they had KNOWN he was a spy, most of them would have been delighted to help, by the time the war was winding down, because they were--and still are--on the same side.

15 posted on 06/02/2007 10:07:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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What was it like being around a guy who smokes all the time?

it's o.k. to be around a slime murderer but a smoker! this is to be condemned!

16 posted on 06/02/2007 10:07:35 AM PDT by gusopol3
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I wonder how many more Pham Xuan Ans there are in the so-called mainstream media right now, feeding information directly to our enemies.


19 posted on 06/02/2007 10:12:14 AM PDT by jpl ("Player haters, elevators, you cross me, you die." - Wise Lebron)
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Journalism in America has developed into a forum for Treason and Sedition. That has been obvious since the Korean War.


25 posted on 06/02/2007 10:20:50 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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There are only 3 degrees of separation between western liberals and the communist party anyways. Leftist travelers all travel together.


27 posted on 06/02/2007 10:23:28 AM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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I'm suprised that his former co-workers continued to admire him and
keep on friendly terms even after they learned he was spying for
the North, and that his information helped kill Americans.

Honestly, for all the complaints here about the MSM, I don't enjoy
seeing them as the "enemy" of the U.S. and U.S. military.


You are being too kind (usually, I am as well).

But consideration of "aid and comfort to the enemy" tells you
all you need to know about too many members of the MSM.

I remember seeing a "game simulation" on TV a few years back about
what might happen during terror attacks on the USA (participants
included members/ex-members of goverment, military, media and
medical community).

My blood simultaneously ran cold AND boiled when Frank Sesno (sp?)
of CNN said that if he was the boss of a reporter that came into
possession about sensitve information on a terror plot, he'd probably
publish it even if the government begged him to delay publication.

Too many journalists (even our home-grown) see themselves
as journalists first.
With their US citizenship ranking further down the list of their
priorities.
28 posted on 06/02/2007 10:25:25 AM PDT by VOA
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And even more significant, he worked for the McClatchy system in Kaleefornia.


30 posted on 06/02/2007 10:29:11 AM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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Kruschev (sp) said (paraphrased), We’ll spit in your eyes and you Americans will say, “My my, isn’t the dew heavy today?”


38 posted on 06/02/2007 10:40:52 AM PDT by Humidston (THOMPSON/WATTS - 2008)
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You're an avid runner and a healthy guy. What was it like being around a guy who smokes all the time?

Only a highly trained and well-indoctrinated liberal journalist would think to ask a question like that.

41 posted on 06/02/2007 10:44:53 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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How has nobody commented on this particular sentence yet:

He came to California to go to college in the late 1950s on assignment? He was developing as a spy?

He had no choice. He did not want to go, but his party ordered him to do it. This is what is the most interesting thing to me historically about his whole life, the foresight of the Communist Vietnamese. In 1955, to recognize that the United States was slowly but surely coming -- even though the French had been defeated, even though the Japanese had been defeated -- the Vietnamese would not be allowed to determine their future...

I see...so the Communist North Vietnamese were holding open and fair elections at the time and asking everybody in the country their opinion about what form of government Vietnam should adopt until those pesky Americans and their damn choppers showed up and started shooting up the place? Is that really the lie liberals tell themselves to cover their cowardice in Vietnam and condemning generations of Vietnamese to Communist rule? Puh-LEEEZE. And don't even get me started on Cambodia. The Left has more blood on their hands from Vietnam era foreign policy (if we can even call it "policy") than Hannibal Lechter.

jas3
44 posted on 06/02/2007 10:58:47 AM PDT by jas3
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