[justiceseeker93]

It's apparent to me that the two of you have different definitions of the phrase "dependent on government," and I think you are both essentially correct using your own definition.

Yes, yankeedame, we are all dependent on government of one sort or another to insure that we are protected from internal and external evil in (theoretically) a just manner; hence the need for e. g., police, military, and courts.

But I believe that Sundog takes "dependent on government" to the point of economic dependence, e. g., dependence on "social programs" and "welfare programs." That's when things become more problematic for self-rule because government becomes a leviathan - the master rather than the servant it was supposed to be.

[Sundog]

Thank you. You are entirely correct.