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Let me do the easy part first, if the new laws take effect, with the already funded increase in Border Patrol and the fence, how are 20 million more illegals going to get in? Those that do, are going to have a much tougher job getting docs.And if it`s to easy for the Z-visa holders, what are we, potted plants? (love that line still) Make it tougher. This law isn`t even close to being finalized. But, do you think it`s a good idea to do nothing? I don`t.

with the already funded increase in Border Patrol and the fence, how are 20 million more illegals going to get in?

LOL!!! They still haven't built the fence that was supposed to be built last year -- 700 miles. THIS immigration bill calls for only 370 miles of fence. Only 370 miles!!!

And even if they really built this fence, which is highly doubtful, given they didn't even come close to building the fence they approved last year, do you really think 370 miles of it is going to do ANYTHING?

On the other hand, if they were really serious about enforcement, and smart about it, why not just pass a border security bill first, put up the fence, deploy more border patrol, and then demonstrate over the period of a year or two that their enforcement measures are really working?

Once they demonstrated irrefutably that this enormous flood of illegals has finally been stemmed, I believe a great many of us skeptics would be more than willing to explore some kind of guest worker program and pathway to citizenship. I know I would.

Umm when will the fence be built and the border patrol agents hired and trained? Couple of years maybe? z Visas take effect immediately upon passage. And for fraudulent documents read the bill they need next to nothing to make the claim. How are you going to investigate 20 million applications and at what cost? and what kind of background check can you do in 24 hours? What information will you be able to get from Mexico? Their fingerprints are not computerized and in any case they are corrupt and for sale, would you like to get a fake but real (falsely issued by actual employee)Mexican Driver’s License ($25)or Matricula card?($50)? In 1986 (about 50% fraud)there were fraudulent documents mills providing complete packages to comply with the document requirements, and as we speak Criminals in Los Angeles and tijuana are preparing the same packages for sale. (you know the guys that provide the false id’s now) Relatives and friends will give sworn statements as provided in the law to help others qualify for the amnesty, expect 25 plus million applicants. Investigators who knew there were fraudulent applications were told to forget it and process them. Will that be different this time around?

If the bill passes hundreds of thousands will immediately cross the border before the enforcement is in place in order to make a false application of wait until the next amnesty coms along. remember the last one was touted as a one time deal, the senators aren't even suggesting this would be a one time deal so we can expect them to try another amnesty in 20 years when this one fails.

Until the President of the US gets up and tells the illegals to go home and that no more should come they will be prosecuted everything else is just BS and if you can see W doing that I have a bridge to sell you. He’s more interested in prosecuting Border Patrol Agents for doing their job.He hasn’t enforced our laws and will not start now. Someone else has to have a mandate and that will not happen until 2008 or later.