[neverhillorat]

Where is it smoke and mirrors?
Why is it unenforceable?
We have amnesty now, this bill has no amnesty for citizenship? If it does, please tell us where?
Are the current laws working, and, when did they?
Please tell us how tougher, realistic employer laws and a fence are going to increase illegals? That ought to be interesting.
There will be no investigations? Well fire the politicians and get ones that will. Of course only one investigation will be more then we have now.
The bill has tons of safeguards against fraud. You know what we have now. I like the new stuff.
What is the give away? Please be specific. With a fence, a lot more Border Agents, more holding sites, violent criminals put in American jails. and real jail time for repeaters. how is your “Oklahoma land rush going to happen?
Ah, now comes the Truth, it`s a bad deal because Bush and Kennedy are for it. Well, that should do it then. But, help me, how is anything going to get passed and become law without Both of them agreeing? Minior point for sure, but a definite deal breaker. In the mean time, the problem gets worse! Is the Bill perfect> No, but let`s work together and fix what needs to be fixed. or. we can learn to live with what we have now, it`s our choice.

[kevao]

Why is it unenforceable?

Because if the government is unable -- unwilling, actually -- to enforce the current laws now, it will be no different under the post-amnesty regime. Even if the bill passes, nothing will change in any fundamental way.

Why? Because when all these new Z-visa holders become "regularized," they are "out of the shadows." Employers will no longer be able to pay them sub-standard wages off the books. The minimum wage laws will apply to Z-visa workers.

The result? There are another 20 million illegals willing to come to this country to work for the same sub-standard wages the current crop of illegals are working for now. And the same employers who hire illegals now, will hire the new wave of illegals, for the same reason they do now -- they are the cheapest source of labor.

Amnesty will price the "regularized" illegals out of the market.

[rolling_stone]

When you take the time to read the links I posted, if your questions are not answered then ask me again. I will let you know that the bill was negotiated in secret by a small group of pro open borders senators, la Raza and the Chamber of Commerce other than puppet Chertoff, there was no unbiased law enforcement input. Th Union representing the Border Patrrol was not asked for their input, (which they were asked in 1986)So the bill was not intended to enforce the laws but meet the needs of La Raza, Chamber of commerce and open border senators, not exactly a compromise bill. The loopholes are in the details.

Here is the bill for your edification:
sb 1348
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1348: