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To: DreamsofPolycarp

“but neglecting the “weightier matters of the law”).”

Jesus was right, of course. IMO, the invasion of a sovereign country by a group of individuals intent on ravaging it’s resources and wealth through fraud and intimedation, can not be permitted. (let’s leave Iraq out of the equation)

I agree with your proposals but, why the “confirmation of legal status for those legally here”?

You don’t seriously think We want to kick out legal Hispanics or any other legal group, do you? (BTW; are you from Turkey/Albania?) (based on a reference to your screen name)


1,014 posted on 06/06/2007 2:32:22 PM PDT by wolfcreek (AMNESTY: See what BROWN can do for you..)
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To: wolfcreek
the invasion of a sovereign country by a group of individuals intent on ravaging it’s resources and wealth through fraud and intimedation,wanting to provide for their families... can not be permitted.

There, fixed it for ya. Still true, btw. We need to get control of our borders.

why the “confirmation of legal status for those legally here”?

because the mass deportation of 12-20 million persons (no one really has a clue how many are here!) would cause economic disruptions, misery, starvation, and human suffereing like we cannot fathom. Again, it is like deciding what to do when your daughter says "dad, I am pregnant" and she is not married (thank God this has never happened to me, it is just an illustration). A lecture on the evils of fornication is not at the top of the list, here. Many of these people have been here for YEARS and the thought of them walking away from jobs, homes, cars, an tons of other "entanglements" and just dumping them at the border is neither just, nor wise, nor compassionate, nor desireable.

You don’t seriously think We want to kick out legal Hispanics or any other legal group, do you?

No, I don't believe that. We differ (I would guess) primarily over how SERIOUS the crime (and it is a crime) jumping the border is, and what the appropriate penalty for doing so is. I see no reason why the result should be automatic expulsion, any more than I see why the penalty for speeding should be forfeiture of your automobile. Again, I don't expect you will agree with me, but I need to say (over and over, it seems) that the alternative to "lock down the border and expell them all" is NOT simply to "let em all in and throw em on welfare because we don't care about law and we are leftoids who worship the concept of Aztan" That is a straw man, yet it is dragged out and waved menacingly every single time I have been in a conversation here on immigration. So, if that false dichotomy is NOT lurking right under your conversations, waiting to surface and confront me, I will apologize in advance, sincerely and humbly.

As to my screen, it comes from Polycarp, the disciple of John, who was killed for his faith and joked with his murderers before they killed him, mocking their threats, but being funny about it at the same time. He was a phenomenally brave man and I hope to die as well as he did. You can find his story (I believe it to be a bit embellished) in FOXE'S BOOK OF MARTYRS

I am not from Turkey or Albania. My folks all came to America from Northern Ireland to escape debtor's prison about 200 years ago. Nothing much has changed, it seems.

1,015 posted on 06/06/2007 3:02:35 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Libertarianism: u can run your life better than government can, and should be left alone to do it)
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To: wolfcreek
why the “confirmation of legal status for those legally here”?

just re-looked at the question. Sorry. The reason is we need to have a way to distinguish between those legally here an illegally here. I have reluctantly come to support aggressive fines for hiring illegals, if we can figure out a way to verify status for those legally here (a work permit card????). I am libertarian, but I do live in the real world. I just want it to be EASY for employers and not some new boondoggle that is half-thought through and unenforceable.

1,017 posted on 06/06/2007 4:01:25 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Libertarianism: u can run your life better than government can, and should be left alone to do it)
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