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The GOP has left me.
Self | Juse 1, 2007 | Natural Law

Posted on 06/01/2007 5:22:56 PM PDT by Natural Law

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To: jaredt112
I want a party and politicians with actual solutions and a can-do attitude instead of a “minimize the damage” milquetoast approach to every problem that the RINO’s take. Take the immigration issue for example. Instead of believing in Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” they say that nothing can be done because you “can’t arrest and deport 11 million illegals. A real conservative would know that the government is not the only or best solution to everything and that when the cost and risk of being in the US exceeded the benefits the illegals would find equally efficient ways to sneak back into Mexico en masse.
81 posted on 06/01/2007 6:16:02 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Melas

Just trying to make some sense out of what I see on FR, brother. Oh well!

Chuck Lidell let me down. Jackson will be a good champ, though.


82 posted on 06/01/2007 6:16:08 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: AuntB

OK. Now you have a data chart. Pick your start date as to when the ‘American People’ started to care about maintaining ‘divided government’ and then calculate the percentages.

The key of course is determining when the electorate became politically ‘aware’ and wanted to prevent single-party control of the Federal Government.

So when is your ‘start’ date?

dvwjr


83 posted on 06/01/2007 6:18:07 PM PDT by dvwjr
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To: jaredt112

Stick around Natural Law...

You’ll be happy to have a strong conservative voice like Fred Thompson advocating genuine conservatism.


84 posted on 06/01/2007 6:18:13 PM PDT by Mister Politics (www.misterpolitics.com)
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To: kevao
a majority of the population is still essentially conservative.

Like I said, in a range where 100 is fruit loopy liberal, 0 is moderate, and +100 is cocopuff conservative, I think a majority instinctively rates at about a +10 or +15 or so. Though that can range between -25 and +25. Right now, it's hard to figure, but I think they are at -5 or so.

If we didn't have terrorist bad guys around, it might be at -15.

85 posted on 06/01/2007 6:18:28 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: do the dhue
The far left usually votes in the Demoratic candidate and the far right usually votes in the Republican candidate. The sooner you absorb that, the better.

Fully absorbed - now what about the other 90% of us?

86 posted on 06/01/2007 6:19:35 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Melas
Oh come on, he's not talking about geniune convervatives who hold on to genuine conservative principles and you know it.

Could've fooled me.

He's referring to the Bircheresque wing of radicals on the far far right.

ROFL. Let me guess - they ride pickup trucks with Confederate flags on them, looking for minorities to harm too right?

87 posted on 06/01/2007 6:19:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: do the dhue
I don't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that you have to keep your base happy.

I understand that fine. It's just that the nuttiest 3% has no moral right to jack things up for the other 97%.

88 posted on 06/01/2007 6:20:35 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Melas
He's referring to the Bircheresque wing of radicals on the far far right. We can pretend that they don't exist all day long, but they're out there.

Thank you, Melas. You are right, of course.

89 posted on 06/01/2007 6:21:17 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: usmcobra
Bye, I hope you enjoy the next eight years of Hillary.

The more liberal the GOP leadership becomes, the less conservatives are going to respond to that threat. Scare tactics go only so far, and given recent events I'm not sure your message is going to resonate with anyone. The GOP had better start figuring out how to get people to vote FOR its politicians instead of trying to demonize the Dems.

90 posted on 06/01/2007 6:22:56 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: usmcobra
Bingo! If that election had swung the other way, there would be more votes against today’s amnesty bill. More outrage isn’t going to fix the problem.
91 posted on 06/01/2007 6:23:09 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: HitmanLV
It's just that the nuttiest 3% has no moral right to jack things up for the other 97%.

I can understand claiming that "jacking things up" is shortsighted, counterproductive, etc. But "no moral right"? Who are you trying to kid? Individuals are under no moral obligation to support a candidate simply because others happen to do so.

92 posted on 06/01/2007 6:24:59 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Melas
ROFL. Let me guess - they ride pickup trucks with Confederate flags on them, looking for minorities to harm too right?

And we've "had our feet on their necks for too long."

93 posted on 06/01/2007 6:25:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: dvwjr
I guess that the politics of 100 years ago means nothing today.

Apparently you fail to recognize that the party in power at the sixth year have lost seats in Congress since the FDR administration. That's what I was referring to.

94 posted on 06/01/2007 6:25:55 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Diogenesis

A picture says a thousand words “ ha, ha, ha, ha, we fu#@ed them again”! Dispicable humans!


95 posted on 06/01/2007 6:26:55 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: NittanyLion

I’m sorry if I didn’t make myself clear. All i meant to say was that a cocopuff conservative fringe or fruit loopy liberal fringe have no moral authority to screw up everyone else.

Has nothing to do with supporting candidates. It has to do with an overstatement of their policy positions, and a complete disregard for everyone else.


96 posted on 06/01/2007 6:28:16 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Natural Law
The GOP has left me.

If the Democratic Party could leave Ronald Reagan...
the GOP could leave many of us folks that simply want secure borders
and a transparent and deliberative (thoughtful and slow) approach
to anything foisted on us as "comprehensive immigration reform".

I bet the GOP weasels trying to push this Bravo Sierra are SHOCKED to
to find that their base recollects what a mess the Simpson-Mazzoli bill
of 1986 brought to us.

Including massive fraud that included amnesty for that red-beared Muslim
that participated in the first Islamic Assault on The World Trade
Center in 1993.
97 posted on 06/01/2007 6:29:35 PM PDT by VOA
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To: HitmanLV
I would refine your scale slightly to recognize the issues. On social issues, I would put the typical voter at -20 to -30. On economic issues, -10 and on defense/terror issues +10 to +20. The typical voter wants the President to take care of the economy, protect the country, and stay out his or her personal life.

Frankly the more excited the FR becomes about a candidate, the more likely the moderate independents become nervous. I don't like it but I think that is the current state of the electorate.

98 posted on 06/01/2007 6:31:00 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: Natural Law

Count me in with you. The Ronald Reagan quote has stuck in my mind all day.

I voted for GW twice, working very hard for him in ‘04. After he was elected he said he would use his political capital.

I just didn’t know until this week that he would use it against me.

So, he’s the enemy now. He has failed to discharge his duties as the Chief Executive and to enforce immigration laws. He has an idiot like Chertoff, who oversees border agents like the one on the Canadian border, who thinks he is a medical doctor and lets in a Typhoid Mary type without even consulting a supervisor. ICE can’t handle 50,000 legal immigrants a year, how the hell are they going to handle 12-20 million new visa applications and track them for 13 years. They are out of their minds!!!

So, no one can accuse me of being disloyal. I stayed on the train as long as I could. But I’m done now.

He’s made his stand. And I’m making mine.

I called the White House contact line today and told the screener that GW needs to get a copy of the Wall Street Journal and read Peggy Noonan’s column today. That’s how I feel.

In NJ, I saw how the liberal RINOs systematically shut out conservative Republicans, until now NJ will forever be Democratic. Now, the RNC is doing the same thing o n a national basis.

Unless Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter get the Republican nod next year, they are doomed as a party. Two terms of Hillary Clinton, an arch criminal, will spell the end of our Republic, unless a second American Revolution takes place.

If they’re stupid enough to jump off the political cliff, then I’m going to let them. They don’t care about me. And I’m tired of being used time after time by the Republicans and getting nothing in return.

When I moved to Delaware last year, I changed my registration to Independent from Republican.

Now we are involved in a fight for our very nation. And we can’t slack off until this legislation is deader than a dorrnail.

Being blamed for not doing what’s right for America, is the last straw.


99 posted on 06/01/2007 6:31:55 PM PDT by exit82 (Sheryl Crow is on a roll)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

But your post said nothing about the ‘sixth year’ losses. It said mid-term losses. Every president has at least one mid-term election; only two term presidents have a second mid-term election.

Did I miss your ‘sixth year’ or ‘second mid-term’ election?

My point stands.

dvwjr


100 posted on 06/01/2007 6:33:08 PM PDT by dvwjr
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