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To: ellery

Ok so Giuliani doesn’t appeal to some libertarian conservatives as well as social conservatives. In other words he doen’t appeal to the far right and the far left of the republican party. Who do you think has a better chance of holding the party together and seeing it through to a general election victory? Someone on one of the ends of the republican spectrum or someone in the middle like Rudy?


33 posted on 06/02/2007 8:03:08 AM PDT by Witchman63 ("Don't immanentize the eschaton!")
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To: Witchman63
Ok so Giuliani doesn’t appeal to some libertarian conservatives as well as social conservatives. In other words he doen’t appeal to the far right and the far left of the republican party....Someone on one of the ends of the republican spectrum or someone in the middle like Rudy?

You are mistaken in thinking it's left-right. For libertarian conservatives it's big-small government. And Rudy is NOT "in the middle" on that matter.

34 posted on 06/02/2007 9:04:14 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( "In a mature society, civil servant is semantically equal to civil master.” --Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Witchman63
Ok so Giuliani doesn’t appeal to some libertarian conservatives as well as social conservatives. In other words he doen’t appeal to the far right and the far left of the republican party. Who do you think has a better chance of holding the party together and seeing it through to a general election victory? Someone on one of the ends of the republican spectrum or someone in the middle like Rudy?

I think your "far right" and "far left" description isn't really accurate or useful, because there is not a commonly accepted definition of what issues are left or right (e.g., the second amendment, which both libertarians and social conservatives support). Giuliani is the farthest thing from a middle-of-the-road, centrist compromise candidate, as is amply proved by the many GOPers who will not support him if he's the candidate.

It would be more accurate to describe three major and overlapping GOP constituencies: social conservatives, libertarian conservatives and national security conservatives. Significant chunks of two of these three groups have stated that they will vote third party or sit it out if Giuliani is the candidate. Whether or not you agree with that approach, it's a fact. In a very evenly divided electorate, how does Giuliani win without big segments of 2/3 of the traditional GOP constituency? Where does he make up those votes, plus a some more to put him over the top?

35 posted on 06/02/2007 11:52:02 AM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Witchman63

Nice DU talking points.


52 posted on 06/02/2007 9:08:01 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Witchman63
Hi Witchman63,

In other words he doesn’t appeal to the far right and the far left of the Republican party

I would not consider my libertarian brethren to be "liberal" at all. True Libertarians tend to be far right on patriotic and fiscal matters, with an exception regarding social matters.

Further, their reasoning on social issues, that they are "none of the governments business" is an acceptable line of reasoning for many, even a far right guy like me, and should not be confused with the liberalism which has infected the Republican Party.

It is more like two branches from the same root.

I doubt that a liberal Republican such as Guliani would appeal to either group.

JMO

-Bruce

59 posted on 06/03/2007 10:11:52 AM PDT by roamer_1
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