Proposal for a US AEGIS Ticonderoga CG replacement

AEGIS VESSELS OF THE WORLD ^ | June 1, 2007 | Jeff Head

[Desron13]

"I'd love to do it...take away some of the wasted social programs and other do-nothing programs that the government does to study this and study that so congress critters can bring home meaningless pork to their districts would easily fund it...but politically, unless we pull our collective head out of our back side (and I wish we would short of getting it blown out by a truly horrible attack)...it's not going to happen."

I agree with you here Jeff. While I would dearly love to see what we could do with a modern battle ship type design, (just the idea of designing modern weapons launched by tri-sixteen inch auto guns or something like them gives me shivers), there's no way we will get the spineless ones in Washington to go for it. You would have to produce at least six of them to even come close to making it worth it. But damn, think of the multi-mission capability you could build into something that big and tough. You could design whole new tactics around them. They would have to be nuclear powered of course, but that would be a definite plus if you wanted to deploy some directed energy weapons on them.

[Jeff Head]

Great points.

This has been a good thread. Strategist has had some very good info and links.

So what do you think of this "bridge" idea for a enhanced Burke of cruiser size to bridge over the Ticos?

[Dundee]

The SPY/AN-2 will be better than the AN/SPY-1B(v) but it is not likely to weigh too terribly more than the system that is already there...in fact, with the improvements in micronization that could be employed, it is likely that it can not weigh any more at all.

Having seen some of the work CEA are doing down here on phased arrays I'm pretty confident that they will be able to get the weight of a SPY/AN-2 type system down below that of SPY-1B.

The RAN are about to install CEAFAR/CEAMOUNT on the ANZAC class frigates although mounting them on a vessel armed with only 32 ESSM seems a bit of a waste to me. I'd suspect that any future USN ship design will be using CEA/Lockheed Martin developed radars.

[Wiz]

Is that a cruiser? It looks like a destroyer, or something more light (the bridge looks smaller, and not much on top that makes it look like a smaller or lighter ship).

[Jeff Head]

Those two AGS guns by themselves are going to come in at 300 tons each. And with the two 64 cell Mk-41 VLS and the two RAMs, the two helos...oh yes, this is a cruiser.

Length 575 ft, displacement 12000 tons.

[Jeff Head]

Strategist indicates that the AN/SPY-2 will actually weigh more than the AN/SPY-1D. That, coupled with the significantly heavier weight of the 155mm AGS and its ammo, along with the desire to ensure that there is room for growth moved the displacement up to 12,000 tons.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Good for carrier groups...

[Jeff Head]

Absolutely...and primarily. But also good for Phibrons, up to and including direct fire support with those AGSs.

Or, as the centerpiece of a powerful SAG (Surface Action Group).

Or, any flagship duties whatsoever.

Would be the most powerful and capable surface combatants afloat.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Jeff Head]

Again, thanks for all of your excellent input and discussion on this thread. You have Fremail.

[Jeff Head]

You are very welcome. Here's a link to the detail page for this proposal if you are interested.

Proposal for a "bridge" AEGIS CG for the US Navy

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you!

[bmwcyle]

bttt

[Jeff Head]

Thanks for the BUMP!

[rmlew]

A cruiser should have a long range radar. The Ticos have the SPS-49, a long range 2D radar. Any new cruiser should have the same or better to pair up with the AN/SPY-3 Multi-Function Radar (MFR.

[Jeff Head]

Agreed on the need for the long range radar.

[Jeff Head]

Agreed on the need for the long range radar.