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Murder term again a possibility for woman in S.F. dog-mauling death {Marjorie Knoller}
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 5/31/7 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 05/31/2007 12:32:45 PM PDT by SmithL

SAN FRANCISCO -- The woman convicted in the 2001 dog-mauling death of a neighbor in their San Francisco apartment building could once again face a murder sentence because of a state Supreme Court ruling today.

In a unanimous decision, the court said a trial judge had used an overly lenient standard when he reduced a jury's second-degree murder conviction to involuntary manslaughter for Marjorie Knoller in the January 2001 death of Diane Whipple. But the justices also said an appellate court used criteria that were too harsh when it reinstated Knoller's murder conviction in 2005.

The court ordered a new judge to reconsider the case and decide whether there was evidence that Knoller "acted with conscious disregard of the danger to human life'' when she took a 140-pound, unmuzzled Presa Canario on a leash into a hallway of the Pacific Heights apartment building. The animal charged at Whipple, a 33-year-old lacrosse coach, who suffered 77 wounds including a fatal puncture to the neck.

A second dog being cared for by Knoller and her husband, Robert Noel, charged out of the couple's apartment during the attack and may have also taken part in the mauling.

Knoller was paroled in 2004 after serving most of a four-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter. If her murder conviction is reinstated, she would be returned to prison for 15 years to life. Noel, who was not present during the attack, was also convicted of manslaughter and has been paroled.

Both were lawyers, but Noel has been disbarred, and Knoller, now a Florida resident, relinquished her California law license earlier this year.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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KEYWORDS: adoptiveson; cornfed; crime; doglover; jailhousescheme; marjorieknoller
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1 posted on 05/31/2007 12:32:46 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
The woman is utterly remorseless and believes she bears no personal responsibility for what happened.

She deserves the penalty the jury originally decided upon.

2 posted on 05/31/2007 12:36:33 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Either she or her husband was a lawyer. At the time I was convinced that there was a little ‘professional courtesy’ going on between the trial judge & the defense.


3 posted on 05/31/2007 12:42:56 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: wideawake
She deserves the penalty the jury originally decided upon.

I think our judicial system allows judges to override juries far too often. The principle of trial by jury is written into the Constitution. It should be treated with great deference.

The judgment of twelve individuals is wrong far less often than the judgment of one, in the long run.

5 posted on 05/31/2007 12:46:24 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: threeleftsmakearight

Well now, thanks for your “thoughts”. I simply don’t care what you think.

Signed,
A dog lover


6 posted on 05/31/2007 12:47:25 PM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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To: SZonian

I knew someone would get their panties in a bunch over that statement. But, it’s true, no one cares about your dog.
I’ve accepted that same concept as it relates to my kids. No one else cares that my kids may be cute, smart or funny.


7 posted on 05/31/2007 12:54:42 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: SZonian

I can’t see what comment #4 was, but you can always count on an animal story to receive at least one anti-animal reply at Free Republic.

I didn’t know conservatism means thinking animals are worthless.

Glad you set him straight.


8 posted on 05/31/2007 12:57:29 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Actually, it wasn’t anti-animal. It was anti-those people who foist their dogs on other people. Bringing their huge slobbery dog to other people’ homes. Allowing their yelpy dog to bark all night while neighbors try to get sleep. Allowing their dogs to jump all over people when they enter their home...


9 posted on 05/31/2007 1:01:09 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: Retired Greyhound

By the way, the moderator was wrong to take down my comment, it wasn’t racist or contain foul language. It’s a bit Hitler-esque to take down posts merely because you don’t agree with them.


10 posted on 05/31/2007 1:02:34 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: threeleftsmakearight
IIRC, both were lawyers, and the dogs came from a client that was convicted of drug dealing.

There's a saying that "not all pit bull owners are drug dealers, but all drug dealers own pit bulls."

So upscale left coast type drug dealers go with Presa Canarios...

11 posted on 05/31/2007 1:04:09 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

And these restaurants that allow people to bring their dogs in...yeah, that’s healthy and appealing.
Like I need to see-and hear-some dog licking his scrotum while I’m trying to eat my California wrap and drink my green tea.


12 posted on 05/31/2007 1:12:44 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: wideawake
“The woman is utterly remorseless and believes she bears no personal responsibility for what happened.”

Unfortunately there are plenty of dog owners like her and it seems as if the number is growing. Too many people like her own too many dogs. A well trained, well behaved animal is wonderful. But these morons who are too stupid or too indifferent to train a dog have no business owning one and should be punished severely for any harm done by their out of control beast.

13 posted on 05/31/2007 1:18:21 PM PDT by isrul
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To: threeleftsmakearight
These so-called dog lovers who are too stupid or too indifferent to train their dogs have no business living among civilized people. Any one of these idiots owning a dog who runs amok and causes injury or death should lose everything; their home, their possessions and then be imprisoned for a very long time.
14 posted on 05/31/2007 1:29:08 PM PDT by isrul
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To: threeleftsmakearight

I agree, I wish they would have left it up.

I don’t know what you said. But I do notice that whenever an animal related story appears on Free Republic, some here come across as if they dislike animals.

It’s funny when it is tongue in cheek, but that is not always the case.

But I agree that comments should not be taken down so often.


15 posted on 05/31/2007 1:36:32 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: wideawake

I completely agree. She blamed the chew toy victim who was mauled to death by her two vicious dogs who had a bite history. She got off far to easy given the horrific manner in which that woman died.


16 posted on 05/31/2007 1:37:28 PM PDT by InsensitiveConservative
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To: SmithL

I had to watch a Presa one weekend while some friends were away at a wedding.

Great dog. Fawn colored female, was 100-110lbs iirc.

Wasn’t quite as big as a Mastiff, and not as long a a Wolfhould... but when walking it, people would look as if I had a Raptor on the leash. You don’t get that look from any other dog. I got a guy near me that owns what looks like a Husky/Wolf mix with white/blusih eyes... that isn’t nearly as intimidaing as the Presa.

With that said... I can’t imagnine keeping two 140lb ones in a house, much less an apartment. EVEN if you magically trained them to use the toilet themselves.

My parents still have 10 acres and a farm house out in rural VA. That’s the minumum I’d want if I owned one of those dogs.


17 posted on 05/31/2007 1:46:47 PM PDT by Canali
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To: Calvin Locke
Its a very strange twisted story. Paul Schneider was the actual owner of the dogs. He is a member of the Aryan Brotherhood & he were breeding the dogs as a means to make money. He planned to breed & sell the dogs to drug dealers. This isn’t the only pair he had either. This couple had the dogs and just could not control them. Diane Whipple had been bitten before on the wrist, and other neighbors were scared of the dogs. Thirty-four witnesses testified in court that they’d found the dogs frightening and dangerous and had told the Noels so.
They ended up adopting Paul Schneider and IMHO the story is just very strange. Knoller had no business having the dogs in the first place as she could not control them. She showed no remorse to the death of Whipple from what I remember. I found some interesting links on this story

http://www.aphroditejones.com/books/Red_Zone.htm

http://www.nationalreview.com/seipp/seipp200403170856.asp

18 posted on 05/31/2007 1:51:37 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: pandoraou812

You left out one key point. The lawyers who were in the dog business with the Nazi were Jewish. (And, of course, the victim was a lesbian).


19 posted on 05/31/2007 2:16:43 PM PDT by PAR35
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I knew she was a lesbian but I didn’t know they were Jewish. Thanks for the info, its a strange story....


20 posted on 05/31/2007 7:46:44 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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