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Does 'the decider' decide on war?
World Net Daily ^ | May 30th, 2007 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 05/30/2007 3:02:25 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis

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To: Sherman Logan

The Constitution says “actual service”, so I take it at its word.


41 posted on 05/30/2007 6:03:16 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (,)
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To: MEGoody

Accomplishments? The jury’s still out, and Patreaus is the jury foreman. Expect a verdict in September.

I do know, so far, it has helped to produce the highest number of US KIAs for any two month period of the war.

But my main point was not about the success or failure of the “surge.” It was about the ground forces we don’t have.


42 posted on 05/30/2007 6:09:55 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: avacado

OK now I know you are a damn fool. The Iranian Freedom and Support Act explicitly prohibits military action, while the Iran Democracy Act mentions neither.


43 posted on 05/30/2007 6:10:10 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (,)
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To: Remember_Salamis
"Second, though Iranians sound bellicose, Iran has not started a single war since the revolution of 1979."

Leaders around the world on Thursday condemned a call by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel be "wiped off the map,"

“Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm.”

Pat may call these statements "bellicose" - I call them out and out threats. Especially the bit about "by one storm". Just what do you thinks he means by a "storm"? Especially when Iran is racing to complete a nuclear bomb?

44 posted on 05/30/2007 6:10:34 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
You are the damn fool that kept mistakenly talking about US military action. You are the damn fool who cannot distinguish between a proxy war and US military action.
45 posted on 05/30/2007 6:13:00 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Tokra

I call them threats from a man with absolutely ZERO power in Iran. The mullahs run everything, and the President is powerless.


46 posted on 05/30/2007 6:17:22 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (,)
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To: Remember_Salamis
I call them threats from a man with absolutely ZERO power in Iran. The mullahs run everything, and the President is powerless.

The mullahs have also said that Israel needs to be "wiped from the pages of history." Is that threat enough?

47 posted on 05/30/2007 6:21:59 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
It is no more likely for me to go to World Nut Daily for my News, than it is for me to go to Art Bell’s house for Bible study.
48 posted on 05/30/2007 6:26:02 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Remember_Salamis
The Constitution says “actual service”, so I take it at its word.

The "actual service" refers to the militia of the several states, not to the Army and Navy, which are always in "actual service."

If the Army and Navy are not in the actual service of the United States except during a declared war, who are they in service to the rest of the time?

49 posted on 05/30/2007 6:32:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: leadpenny
But my main point was not about the success or failure of the “surge.”

Uh, so your comment about it taking 6 months to get the troops there for the surge was nonsensical, because clearly you are now admitting the surge has occurred.

50 posted on 05/30/2007 6:38:07 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

The “surge” has not been fully implemented. Are there more of my words you wish to twist?


51 posted on 05/30/2007 6:46:20 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Remember_Salamis

I had an outstanding salami back in the summer of 1999. Oh the memories! My eyes mist over when I think about it.

Who wins if the USA pulls back and “redeploys”?


52 posted on 05/30/2007 6:49:27 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Attacking Iranian nuclear targets (if successful) only delays their nuclear program, with all the drawbacks: massive casualties in Iraq, a possible counterstrike by Hizbollah in the US, a assurance that the Mullahocracy will be in power for another generation.

If this is the case (and I tend to agree with you), then what IS the solution for ending the "Iranian problem" [nuclear and otherwise]?

In my estimate, the only "solution" to defeat Iran is a full-scale military invasion and occupation - leading to the "de-Islamification" of Iran, at the very least, the removal of the mullahs from any position of power or influence. They must "disappear".

Actually, this is the only solution for the entire struggle with Islam. I think most folks actually realize this, but shove it under the rug as unworkable.

But when nothing else seems to be working, what is the answer?

We already know what _their_ "answer" is for _us_.

- John

53 posted on 05/30/2007 7:02:19 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Remember_Salamis

Second, though Iranians sound bellicose, Iran has not started a single war since the revolution of 1979. Indeed, Iran was the victim of a war launched by Saddam Hussein, whom we secretly supported. Not within living memory has Iran invaded or attacked another country.

This point is terribly misguided. If Pat were awake, he'd know the history of the men leading Iraq today and their involvement with Iran (Sadr, DAWA and SCIRI among others). He'd know Iran has mounted numerous operations in its short history that were acts of war, but were ignored as such. Case in point: The Iranian Revolutionary Guards obviously wrote the script for the recent war between Hezbollah and Israel in southern Lebanon. Another Example: The blatant abduction of British Sailors serving under a UN Resolution in 2004 and again in 2007... It's one thing to come out and say, "The President has picked a fight too big win!" and another to fabricate a lie by saying, "The Iranians are not so bad, they don't deserve to be fought."

54 posted on 05/30/2007 7:09:41 AM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! VDH)
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To: Fishrrman

There is a large young population in Iran chafing under the oppressive mullah _uckers controlling the political situation.

The have been arming their police/military to prevent any thoughts of the kids getting jumpy and thinking about overthrowing the theocracy.

I’d like to try parachuting in arms for the citizens.

Sick of war, sick of the USA getting bashed for keeping the oil flowing to keep the global economy from collapsing. Fighting the urge to withdraw and let the world go to hell and fend for themselves. Realizing it would only last for a short while before the effects of withdrawing cause even bigger messes that NO ONE will clean up except the USA.


55 posted on 05/30/2007 7:13:11 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: Remember_Salamis

*****all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.”****

Unless the democrats are in power and decide to cut off funding...which could happen at any time.


56 posted on 05/30/2007 7:19:52 AM PDT by Basheva
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To: Fishrrman

If this is the case (and I tend to agree with you), then what IS the solution for ending the "Iranian problem" [nuclear and otherwise]? In my estimate, the only "solution" to defeat Iran is a full-scale military invasion and occupation - leading to the "de-Islamification" of Iran, at the very least, the removal of the mullahs from any position of power or influence. They must "disappear". Actually, this is the only solution for the entire struggle with Islam. I think most folks actually realize this, but shove it under the rug as unworkable.

SOLUTION: Empower the people of Iran, particularly indigenous secular democrats. At the same time, leave the door open to protect Americans and our allies from an Iranian bomb, Iranian terrorism and Iranian petro-politics... It's incredible how much ink in the MSM is given to people who advocate America drop its guard, offer more incentives, cool its rhetoric. Iran has not shown an ounce of reciprocation to American moderation. Instead, privatization (which equates to empowering the Iranian people) occurs more often when the Iranian Government feels threatened.

57 posted on 05/30/2007 7:26:01 AM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! VDH)
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To: humint

SOLUTION: Empower the people of Iran

Agreed.


58 posted on 05/30/2007 7:36:11 AM PDT by listenhillary (Democrats are sacrificing civilization for political power)
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To: Remember_Salamis

It is wishful thinking to believe that President Bush will attack Iran. President Bush will not, because the Rats have chosen political expediency over national security.

Rather than stopping them now, the West will wait until Iran has attacked first with nuclear weapons and a ICBM capability. It will be much too late.


59 posted on 05/30/2007 8:10:37 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
A non-Islamist pro-Western Iran may well want nuclear weapons, but they would not [ose the same threat to us as a regime that calls for our destruction every Friday. (In case you forget, Iran wants to destroy the great Satan.) A non-Islamist pro-western regime, even if not an ally, would follow the logic of mutually assured destruction. It would not be ruled by theological lunatics who believe in a Mahdi brought on by fire and war, who will resurrect them, while also enslaving the world.

We should offer them a carrot and carrier strike. We can offer them assistence in upgrading oil and natural gas production and refining. We can open up some trade with them. For instance textiles and organically grown borage oil (great stuff by the way). The Europeans and Russians have offered to support a tightly monitored civilian nuclear program, where the uranium is refined in Russia. Finally, we publicize this deal. We don't just make it to the mullahs, we make it to the Iranian people through radio and internet. We take out ads in their media, if they accept it.

If the Iranians choose a military program over a civilian one and confrontation over trade, then they bring the second option on themselves.

We do not just hit the nuclear program. We hit the command and control centers of the military and the regime. We strike the secret police headquarters, and level Hizbullah there. Finally, we can suggest that the people of Iran take back their government, but make it clear that we do not wish to occupy them.

60 posted on 05/30/2007 9:34:57 AM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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