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To: mjolnir
Scientists have the right, along with anyone else, to conjecture as long as it is clearly designated as such. But conjectures are not data, and there have been no data derived via the scientific method published that support ID.

In the "anthropic principle" it is proposed that the universe adapted to us, rather than the other way around. Abundant data exist which contradict such a notion.

Multiple universes have their foundation of support in string theory or the postulated existence of multiple time dimensions---but this does not support the existence of an anthropic universe.

To resolve this as it fits ID, someone (actually many scientists) will have to put forth a testable hypothesis, test it, replicate and do it again and again with the same theme but with variation as they suggest themselves by the data. That has not been done and that's why ID does not rise to the level of science.

72 posted on 05/28/2007 7:49:11 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

Well, no.

The evidence for fine tuning, and the evidence for many universes, happens to be the same evidence-— the anthropic coincidences themselves.

That’s why the physicist Lawrence Krauss feels that if his many worlds version of string theory doesn’t work, the alternative is design.

Suppose someone saw a video of me taking a shot at a basketball hoop from 70 feet, and making the shot.

The hypotheses I’m lucky, that I’m good, or that I simply took many shots and the video shown happens to be of me making it, all rely on the same piece of data-— the video of me making the shot.

Of course, this is beside the point when it comes to Gonzalez, whose credentials are unassailable and has presented evidence supporting his “Rare Earth” hypothesis in Nature, among other peer-reviewed journals.


75 posted on 05/28/2007 8:04:54 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Rudder
In the "anthropic principle" it is proposed that the universe adapted to us, rather than the other way around.

Uh, no.

"The [anthropic principle] can be used to explain why the conditions happen to be just right for the existence of (intelligent) life on the earth at the present time. For if they were not just right, then we should not have found ourselves to be here now, but somewhere else, at some other appropriate time."
83 posted on 05/28/2007 9:28:04 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Rudder
“To resolve this as it fits ID, someone (actually many scientists) will have to put forth a testable hypothesis, test it, replicate and do it again and again with the same theme but with variation as they suggest themselves by the data. That has not been done and that’s why ID does not rise to the level of science.”

So, to paraphrase your own words, for evolution to rise to the level of science, scientists would need to repeatedly replicate random evolutionary changes from one species to another?

How exactly does one ensure pure randomness in a clinically controlled setting? There mere fact that a study is underway implies intelligent design.

134 posted on 05/29/2007 5:15:45 AM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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