Rudder- I think the question was deeper about how cells know what to do- excuse me if I’m wrong- but I think he was asking how all this information arose in the first place. You posted some interesting information that I would like to point out only further shows that highly complex system information is present on all levels, and that there is a tremendous amount of highly complex and specificly organized information at work in even just one species- let along a couple hundred thousand species. While it’s true there are some common trans-species systems that operate similarly, it’s also true that there are vast vast species specific syatems at work on all levels from the larger syatems all the way down to the microscopic and furhter that are so highly specialized that they are unique to certain species only.
I don’t know- to me it just begs the question about where all these highly specific and uniquely complex systems originated from- where they go their gene information from etc. And I wonder how the literally billions of complexities could all rapidly accumulate through a random process of gene mistakes to account for all the 100’s of 1000’s of species specific complexities that exist. Some systems even on the molecular levels operate with many smaller system specific processes working quite flawlessly-
We tend to look at the larger examples of species, and point out anectdotal evidences, and think that’s enough, but my gosh, the billions of species specific complexities that are present from the observable with hte naked eye, all the way down to the molecular levels kinda just begs the question of how it was possible for all these to take place through mere gene mistakes when it’s even a bit of a stretch of faith to account for just a few larger ones in a few million years.
I dunno- Folks accuse ID of being nothign but faith and apologetics when infact secular evolution science relies almost extensively on faith when explaining how they think evolution happened. There must have been a time of extremely rapid, organized directional forces at work to get all these systems working- thew amount of mutations must have been absolutely unbelievably massive in number for nature to get it all right and working properly
Just some thoughts- not railing on your post- but just wanted to point out I trhink he was asking a deeper question about how cells would know what to do- I think he meant how did they evolve the instructions in massive numbers to know what their functions was so to speak.
One of the more important recent discoveries in this regard has to do with systemic hormones and local hormones. For example, sharks make massive amounts of progesterone---they use it for internal water balance. Mammals use progesterone as a progestational agent. What evolved was not the chemical but rather the target.
Hormones act by, first, attaching to cellular target sites. Then they are conveyed inside the cell. Then they alter cellular protein synthesis, and the cells do their bidding, so to speak. We scientists know more about the molecular detail than my meager description reveals.
Where did the information come from? It came from life forms that were obliged to follow an utilitarian process. Life is a fluid, ever-changing, phenomenon. Some of which science understands and most of which science is investigating.
The "information" accrues in life forms.
At first, for a pedagogical example, there were light-sensitive chemicals, then aggregations (eg slime molds), then colonies (eg algae) then communication (simple nerve net), etc., etc.
The point being that the information utilized by organisms proceeded from the very simple (eg salinity or temperature changes) to the more complex as life forms--the information came from an ever-changing environment--adapted.
You're not wrong and thank you for the input. I do not have a science background so my explanations will be quite elementry.
The order in which cells operate definately suggests a higher order of design. We can all agree on this. The question then becomes if cells move in a direction toward a higher order of design, how do they know to move in a more complex direction of design? What drives them? Science has not answered this question yet and the observable available evidence definately suggests an intellegence.
For some science to turn a blind eye to or deny any evidence by using the charade of a statement, "There is NO evidence of ID" is not only detrimental to further their research, it's quite a foolish conundrum they place themselves in.