Posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee
The Christian attorney who fought to keep Terry Schiavo alive says the three leading GOP presidential candidates don't understand the important disability issues involved in the widely publicized 2005 case.
During a recent Republican presidential debate in California, the candidates were asked whether Congress was right to intervene in the Terry Schiavo case by attempting to prevent the state of Florida from removing the disabled woman's feeding tube. The answers varied.
Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved and the matter should have been left at the state level. Senator John McCain said Congress "probably acted too hastily." And former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani called the case a "family dispute."
David Gibbs III of the Christian Law Association says the United States gives greater due process to convicted murderers than to innocent disabled people. The former attorney for Schiavo's parents argues that Congress did the right thing when it intervened to provide her those rights.
"Many of the candidates are following the political wind, if you will, instead of showing leadership and saying, 'You know what? That was good public policy back then. We need to stand up for the disabled. We need to stand up for the senior citizens,'" Gibbs says. "We need to have that compassion for vulnerable people as opposed to taking the mindset that those people that just don't matter," he notes.
It is disingenuous, the Christian attorney contends, for candidates to claim they are pro-life but not be willing to grant due process rights to the disabled. "If you're pro-life, you have to be pro-life at every step," he says.
"Please understand: our founding fathers understood that you don't have any liberty, our Constitution doesn't matter, if you don't protect the innocent life of the citizens," Gibbs explains. "That's why they talked about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- your free speech, your freedom of religion, your right to own a gun or [receive] due process of law," he says. "If the government can kill you, you have no true liberty."
When Rudy Giuliani visited Florida he initially said he was in favor of assisting Terry Schiavo but later backpedaled from those comments, Gibbs points out. And in the recent GOP presidential debate, he says, only Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and Congressman Duncan Hunter of California got the issue right when they were asked about the Schiavo case.
And there are some here who would prefer to put a person who has not been accused of any crime to death based on a legal technicality. Caiaphas and the Pharisees would be very pleased.
Sorry, I meant to ping you to this.
That is true. I don't know when they will abandon Michael though. He just got a fine from the FEC for TerriPac violations. He just got suspended for illegal dispensing of prescricbtion drugs at Pinellas County Jail. And he is also under investigation for a related matter involving that.
From the reports I have heard, he is very "agitated" about "hearsay" evidence against him : )
Terri's "wishes" were 100 % from the Schiavo clan. No wonder you don't care. Your every thought and word that I have ever seen shows that you support her death despite how you try to hide.
So why do you get so upset to have medical information discussed? If you think my medicine is not correct, rebut it with medical fact, not the accusations you periodically hurl around.
And conveniently remembered years after the fact and oddly enough came right after Terri was awarded a huge sum of money.
I don't know what you think you are in your own mind, but you have exposed next to nothing. T'wit has cleaned up on you. You have been proven to be far fetched on every theroy you have presented. You ignore the obvious and masturbate your fantasies, against overwhelming odds, sir.
That fact is Michael Schiavo remains the primary suspect of Terri's demise. Correct?
Sorry again T’wit. I mentioned you in that post. I should’ve pinged you.
Sorry, I must disagree. They did not use a technicality in the law. They raped the law. They manufactured the evidence, faked Terri's "wishes" and put her to death by a direct order from a judge acting without authority (ultra vires). There is NO due process in American law for violating one's unalienable right to life, save only if it is forfeit by conviction for a capital crime.
Let's see:
1. Claims that the bone scan proves Terri Schiavo had fractures
--In fact, the scan shows nuclide accumulations. And if they were fractures, they would only be consistent with a major trauma, such as a high speed deceleration injury.
2. Claims that a domestic, unarmed struggle between two people could generate sufficient force to cause high speed deceleration injuries.
--Multiple medical sites and articles linked to show this is impossible.
3. Claims that Terri Schivo had a neck injury, as "proved" by the muscle rigidity.
--In fact, Terri Schiavo had muscle rigidity in all or most of her skeletal muscles, and was known to have decerebrate rigidity, a known consequence of anoxic brain injury. Her neck x-rays in the ER were negative. No injury to vertebra or spinal cord were found on autopsy.
4. A theory proposed by T'wit that Michael Schiavo knelt on her back, and one knee was on her upper back, causing asphyxia, and the other by her thigh, causing the nuclide accumulation and "shaggy" appearance on xray that Dr. Walker said could have been a hemorrhage under the periosteum (covering of the bone.)
-- Aside from other concerns about this theory, the abnormal bony area was on the front of the thigh, not the back. Further, it was right near the knee, which meant it could not have come in contact with the floor because the kneecap protrudes further.
5. Accusation that I was dishonest, that the autopsy report did not say Terri Schiavo had osteoporosis in 1991
--right there in the autopsy report.
6. Claims that "Dr. Michael Baden, the world famous pathologist, has looked into the case. He thinks Terri was the victim of trauma."
--Contradicted by two of his interviews.
7. Claims that Michael Schiavo's body weight alone on Terri Schiavo's back would cause asphyxia.
--Contradicted by an article from Academic Emergency Medicine.
8. Claims that Terri Schiavo had no therapy or swallowing test.
-- only to have to admit 'well, yes, she did have therapy early on'.
9.Claims that Carla Iyer is a very credible witness.
--Carla Iyer shown to be either grossly ignorant of what she should know as a nurse, or fabricating.
There were more, but that sounds like enought to start with.
Correct. It's not that Michael's the "primary suspect." He is the only suspect and he has no alibi. What we need is a theory that can explain why Michael was hysterical when others arrived, why he left Terri face down, did not do CPR, and lied to police about what had happened.
Earlier, we used statistics from a medical study to calculate odds of 2,500,000 to 1 that Terri did not collapse for any innocent reason. Keeling over for no known reason is extremely rare. It is extremely likely, therefore, that Terri was the victim of domestic violence.
Keep going, doc. You have an infinite number of “proofs” to “prove” before you can get Michael off the hook. I’m going to save your list, just in case he confesses.
“I’m questioning it. It was not, so far as I know, documented in the medical record, and the standard medical legal rule is: If it wasn’t documented, it wasn’t done. If there is medical documentation, I’m interested to read it - please link.”
I gave you a link with three nurses who said Terri could swallow, but of course, that wasn’t good enough.
No matter what we put in your lap, you will say it’s not good enough. Perhaps you should do your own research.
We also pointed out to you that Terri did not drool, so SWALLOWED her own saliva.
Please check out the link in my post 1490 for just about every question you might have.
But since I’m so nice, I’ll get you started with a couple of FR threads:
What doctors say:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1357911/posts?page=15#15
See post #13
Carl Iyer testimony:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1367704/posts
ACLU euthanasia activist George Felos had a conflict of interest.
See why:
http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com/images/suncoast-1999-anual-report.TIF
I proved to you that Judge Greer is an ACTIVIST judge, but you chose to deflect, so one more time, try to explain THIS away:
“If Judge Greer’s 2000 order authorizing Michael Schiavo to end his wife’s life were a criminal death sentence, Terri would be entitled to a new trial on the basis of reversible error,” Gibbs said.
The alleged error centers on the testimony of Diane Meyer, one of Terri’s life-long friends. She told Greer that Terri had expressed her disagreement with the decision of Karen Ann Quinlan’s parents to remove their comatose daughter from life support in a highly publicized “right-to-die” case in the 1970s and 1980s.
“There was an incident when I told a poor joke about Karen Ann Quinlan. I remember distinctly because Terri never lost her temper with me. This time she did,” Meyer testified in 2002.” She told me that she did not approve of what was going on or what happened in the Karen Ann Quinlan case.”
Meyer told the court that the conversation had taken place, “in the summer of 1982.”
Greer ruled that, because Meyer spoke of the conversation in the present tense, she must have been mistaken about the date. He deduced that the comments must have been made in the mid-1970s, when Terri would have been only 11 or 12 years old.
“The first quote involved a bad joke and used the verb ‘is.’ The second quote involved the response from Terri Schiavo, which used the word ‘are,’” Greer wrote in his decision. “The court is mystified as to how these present tense verbs would have been used some six years after the death of Karen Ann Quinlan.”
As a result, Greer ruled that the statement that she “would not want to be kept alive artificially” - which Terri allegedly made in the presence of her husband, brother-in-law and brother-in-law’s wife - was Terri’s only adultcomment on the matter.
But Gibbs’ motion argued that it was Greer, not Meyer, who was in error.
“The court discredited Ms. Meyer’s testimony because of its own mistaken conclusion that Karen Ann Quinlan was dead in 1982. In reality, Ms. Quinlan was very much alive in 1982,” Gibbs wrote. “Ms. Quinlan did not die until 1985, some nine years after her court case ended and her respirator was removed.”
Greer’s refusal to consider Meyer’s testimony as equal to that of Terri’s husband and in-laws constitutes a reversible error, Gibbs claimed.
excerpt: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200503\CUL20050303b.html
“Whittemore is a moral monster who smirkingly refused to give water to a woman dying of dehydration. He deliberately ran out the clock on her too, still wearing that smirk and playing to the cameras and to the mob. That is irremediable error under the law and evil in the sight of God.
You may call that lawful, but here’s a piece of law for you to chew on. Inability to tell right from wrong, good from evil, is the traditional legal definition of criminal insanity.”
I remember that, and when Terri was without food and water for around a week, Whittemore said, well she lived for almost two week the last time she went without food and water.
I’d like to see him go without food and water for two days, let alone two weeks.
CRUEL, CRUEL!!!!
Judge James Whittemore, a Federal Judge appointed by President Clinton, unlawfully ignored “STARE DECISIS” in QUINLAN, CRUZAN, and other “Right To Die” cases. Whittemore wrongfully determined that Theresa Schiavo’s “life and liberty interests” had been protected by the state. This was an erroneous assumption, because judge Greer had changed the order from “WITHHOLDING ARTIFICIAL LIFE-SUPPORT” to “the removal of nutrition and hydration from the ward.”
Judge Greer’s FINAL ORDER included the removal of NATURAL hydration and nutrition, an act forbidden by Florida Statute and STARE DECISIS, which an appeals court (Federal Judge Whittmore) was bound to uphold - United States v. Washington, 872 F.2d 874, 880 (9th Cir. 1989) - but failed to do so. How many legal eagles caught this blunder?
Michael Schiavo and the court were aware that Theresa Marie Schiavo could feel pain - click here.
excerpt http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com/
Go to the website and CLICK and LEARN.
And Michael had his own parents killed. He admitted it on national tv on Larry King’s shows.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/lkl1.htm
CALLER: Yes. Does it bother you that the death is so slow? Maybe Dr. Kevorkian-style would be a faster, more peaceful way?
SCHIAVO: Removing somebody’s feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die. Probably the second better way to die, being the first being an aneurysm.
And it doesn’t bother me at all. I’ve seen it happen.
I had to do it with my own parents.
>> Frankly Matt Conigliaro is one the best, objective sources for material on the Schiavo case.
Frankly, I have found Matt Conigliaro about as objective as George Felos. However, George talks with God, so maybe they share the same sources.
(Psst. When Felos was talking to God about making the plane crash -- it wasn't God. It was the other guy.)
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