Republican Kyl's immigration stance splits Arizona (opposition "tailing off")

Reuters ^ | May 27, 2007 | Tim Gaynor

[Gene Eric]

>> talking with the editorial boards of Arizona’s top newspapers

Who the heck cares what the editorial boards think. They do NOT represent the people.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

The BP council can see through the BS. Thanks.

[AuntB]

I’m not familiar with this website, and don’t know if this is true, but it’s an interesting take on what might be up with Kyl.
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=11591

Once Upon A Time there was a Senator named Jon Kyl....
[snip]What’s in “compromise immigration reform” for Kyl?
Kyl as Bush’s Senate bag man on the Kyl-Kennedy-Bush Amnesty in return for the federal bench appointment explains why he’s supporting something that offers Americans absolutely nothing except more empty promises of enforcement, virtually identical to what we heard in 1986.

[Maximum Scrunch]

It’s not only the end of the Republican party, but the end of America as we have known it.

[ruination]

OTOH, Arizonans passed three anti-illegal measures during the same cycle. One prevented illegals from obtaining punitive damages in civil suits, one prohibited them from receiving certain education and day care subsidies, and one prohibited them from being granted bail.

I don’t think the voters were in a particularly “comprehensive” mood, but had just grown weary of the Republican party.

[Ben Ficklin]

Tell that to Graf and Hayworth.

[MARTIAL MONK]

I’m not familiar with this website, and don’t know if this is true,

It's about as true as his classification of Nevada as a border state.

[Ben Ficklin]

Kyl has come to the realization, as have numerous other GOPers, that trying to compromise with the hardliners to pass a immigration bill is a waste of time and will threaten your re-election.

Instead, he will have to compromise with the dems.

[ruination]

Republicans

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Kyl has no free will to do the right thing. Like Benedict Arnold, Lord Hee-Haw, Judas, etc. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Ben Ficklin]

Let's look a Kyl's position thru time.

In 2004 he was supporting a plan that excluded path to citizenship. Hardliners said not good enough.

In 2005 he moved to the right, not only excluding path to citizenship, but also excluding illegals from becoming guest workers. Hardliners said not good enough.

In 2006 he voted against S 2611 and the Hardliners said not good enough.

In 2006 he used fierce anti-illegal rhetoric in his campaign, but many of the hardliners refused to vote for him plus many of the independents refused to vote for him.

The man ain't dumb, he knows where he has to be on the issue if he wants to get re-elected.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Let’s assume that, as you say, Kyl thinks that the core Republicans won’t vote for him no matter what he does:

Backroom deal followed by rush to vote on it before anyone, including the Senators, understand it.

Poorly written, full of loopholes.

Dishonest representation by proponents (”None of the provisions take effect until...”)

They don’t have any idea how much this is going to cost.

Instant legalization for who knows how many millions of illegals, makes applicants who follow the law wish they had enetered illegally.

They don’t have to pay income taxes but we do. They are forgiven their crimes but citizens are not.

This will work as well as the 1986 bill, which led to the worse mess we are in now.

I don’t think there is much Democrats would like in it, except that Kennedy did it, and perhaps they want to torment core Republicans. Illegal aliens are not supposed to vote, but maybe they do in AZ.

I think there should be enough voters that will see that this agreement stinks WRT fairness, and will punish those who imposed it on Americans.