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To: fortheDeclaration
"And something just somehow happened to come out of nothing!

If you insist that everything must have a time, place and initiator then, unless your God is outside the laws of Physics, he/she/it too needs to have a beginning. If you claim that your God is outside the laws of physics because he/she/it created those laws, those laws which you demand for everything other than God, then anything else said to originate those laws is also outside them. Simply put, if you created those laws they did not exist before you created them so do not apply to you.

Any justification you can make for God to be outside the requirements of the universe can be made for the origin of the universe itself. That singularity, or whatever it was, was not contained in the universe, was not subject to the same laws as our current universe, and was outside of time.

"And from rocks came life!

Crappy straw man. Life is not something mystical and magical, it is the interaction of chemical processes which in combination function in a specific way. No one said that life came from 'rocks' but from far simpler molecules. Complex molecules are found in space, they are not unusual.

"And from single cell life came Man!

Yes indeed, as did all other animals and plants. However, current organisms are the result of a trial and error regulated build up from simple beginnings.

Do you have a problem with trial and error, or complexity coming from simplicity?

"You talk about fairy tales!

Yes I have heard yours many times.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Now this is compelling science isn't it.

202 posted on 05/30/2007 10:28:59 AM PDT by b_sharp (The last door on your right. Jiggle the handle.)
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To: b_sharp
f you insist that everything must have a time, place and initiator then, unless your God is outside the laws of Physics, he/she/it too needs to have a beginning.

His explanation is "magic." It's hard to argue with him, I guess.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

He gets his science edumacation from the Bible, and calling people names is a pretty common thing in that R-rated book (Jesus called his beloved mother "woman"-- my Mom would slap my face!-- and called his enemies fools and vipers).

207 posted on 05/30/2007 11:34:20 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: b_sharp
"And something just somehow happened to come out of nothing!

If you insist that everything must have a time, place and initiator then, unless your God is outside the laws of Physics, he/she/it too needs to have a beginning. If you claim that your God is outside the laws of physics because he/she/it created those laws, those laws which you demand for everything other than God, then anything else said to originate those laws is also outside them. Simply put, if you created those laws they did not exist before you created them so do not apply to you.

Since it is impossible for something to come out of nothing, either God is impossible or Evolution is.

We acknowledge that we have to start with God as our axiom based on faith.

The hyprocrisy comes from the Evolutionists who claim they have 'science' as their guide, when they know that they must believe in the impossible, life coming from non-life.

So in truth, both systems are faith based system.

The only issue is which seems more reasonible and likely.

Any justification you can make for God to be outside the requirements of the universe can be made for the origin of the universe itself. That singularity, or whatever it was, was not contained in the universe, was not subject to the same laws as our current universe, and was outside of time.

So, now you are making the Universe 'god' and a different Universe.

It still doesn't explain where this 'different' Universe came from.

"And from rocks came life! Crappy straw man. Life is not something mystical and magical, it is the interaction of chemical processes which in combination function in a specific way. No one said that life came from 'rocks' but from far simpler molecules. Complex molecules are found in space, they are not unusual.

You can spin it anyway you want, but you have life coming from non-life.

And where did these chemicals come from?

Poof-like magic they were there and they just happen to combine to form some kind of life and that just happened to survive to form a more sophisciated kind of life and before you know you have mankind (give or take a few billion years).

Yea, that is real science there!

"And from single cell life came Man! Yes indeed, as did all other animals and plants. However, current organisms are the result of a trial and error regulated build up from simple beginnings. Do you have a problem with trial and error, or complexity coming from simplicity? "You talk about fairy tales! Yes I have heard yours many times.

Well, you have heard because it is true.

Yes, I have a large problem with living cells going from the simple to the complex by 'evolution'.

It doesn't happen that way and evolution has never shown anything to do so.

What does occur is adaptation of the species, but not the changing of the species into another species, becoming a more complex and different species.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Now this is compelling science isn't it

As compelling as your pseudo science, which has to start with a different Universe operating under different laws and then move from non-life to life and simple life to complex life.

Man, you talk about having a faith!

214 posted on 05/31/2007 4:53:21 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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