anyone have any quotes on what this guy actually said about 9-11??
No, but we got cornered by a neighbor who has been brainwashed by the Ron Paul nuts. He now believes every conspiracy theory known to modern man. Like a visit over the back fence with the Twilight Zone!
Ron Paul should be ignored. Let the kook mumble to himself and his mind-numbed followers in a corner, but we really cannot let them drain conservatives of energy, money and time. We have to stick together and keep our minds on the BIG picture - stopping election of Hillary.
“anyone have any quotes on what this guy actually said about 9-11??”
They are all over the internet. Here are a few decent links:
War and Foreign Policy
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/issue-War_fx.html
Security
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst051407.htm
Patriotism
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr0522107.htm
Fixing What’s Wrong With Iraq
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst052107.htm
more - use indices at: http://www.ronpaul.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEJJ1GHteLM
Some good links in this generally over-the-top assessment:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10995
The Ron Paul Effect: Antiwar Republican makes waves – and the Establishment is in shock
An excerpt (go to the above link for the embedded links in this statement):
Back before the war started, Cliff Kincaid, a conservative activist and writer associated with Accuracy in Media (AIM), a longtime mainstay of “movement” conservatism, penned a piece entitled “Antiwar Conservatives?” that questioned the existence of such an exotic species. Like the unicorn and the sphinx, this creature, he averred, was only talked about yet never seen, and he specifically took me to task for allying with the “far Left” in a united front against the war. Right after the invasion was launched, I appeared with him on MSNBC to debate the war: the country, I said, was against the invasion, and an increasing number of fairly conservative Republicans – such as Ron Paul – were speaking out against it. For his part, Kincaid wondered aloud how in touch with the national zeitgeist it was possible to be out in San Francisco.
Now that most of the rest of the nation is aligned with my fellow San Franciscans, however, Kincaid has done a turnaround: he not only acknowledges the existence of antiwar conservatives, but has also become one of their most eloquent defenders against the know-nothings of the neoconized GOP. The neocons are in a tizzy about the heresy of Ron Paul at the South Carolina Republican presidential debates, when he dared state the obvious: that al-Qaeda is “over here” because we are “over there.” Rudy Giuliani’s Mussolini-esque eruption and Paul’s defiant-yet-reasonable refusal to recant has become the fulcrum of the right wing’s agony over an issue that could sink the GOP, marginalize conservatives, and give us President Hillary Clinton.
Kincaid wisely recognizes that the neocon response to Paul’s speaking truth to power is intellectually dishonest. What’s even more heartening, however, is Kincaid’s anger over the attempted smearing of Rep. Paul:
“In a desperate attempt to make Rudy Giuliani out to be the hero of Tuesday night’s debate, Fox News is continuing to attack Texas Congressman Ron Paul for something he did not say. In the latest installment of this campaign, John Gibson of Fox News says that Paul ‘suggested that the U.S. actually had a hand in the [9/11] terrorist attacks.’ No, what he said was that U.S. foreign policy was a reason why Osama bin Laden attacked America. This is a fact.
“Gibson’s comment shows how Fox News has been eager to slant the news in favor of Giuliani, who claimed in his famous response to Paul that the congressman had said that the U.S. ‘invited’ the 9/11 attacks. That was false, too.”
The outright lie that Paul is part of the “9/11 Truth” movement, which holds that the U.S. government itself pulled off the biggest terrorist attack in American history, is the latest edition of the smear-Ron-Paul campaign that has taken off since the showdown with America’s Mafioso Mayor. The canard that Paul justifies terrorism is eagerly spread by the smarmy Gibson and the ridiculous Michelle Malkin, a cocoa Coulterite who, like the original white-bread version, makes an art out of self-caricature. Even after the complete falsehood of her charge against Paul was pointed out, and acknowledged by her, Malkin still did her best to wriggle out of it by trying to weave a very tenuous connection between Paul and the Truthers. The woman has zero integrity and even less credibility, but the smear campaign rolls on. As Kincaid put it:
“Ron Paul is being viciously attacked over this issue because some people don’t want to consider the implications, which Paul is honest enough from his perspective to spell out. These implications are that the U.S. should withdraw from the region, supposedly to spare the U.S. from any further attacks. That is the Ron Paul approach, and he claims it is what President Reagan would do. It may be naïve to some, but he cites Reagan’s withdrawal of U.S. troops from Lebanon after 241 of them were murdered in a suicide bombing. He thinks no good can come from U.S. involvement in such an irrational part of the world.”
Kincaid probably doesn’t agree with Paul’s analysis in its entirety, but he is honest enough to call a foul when he sees it. Chances are he is fairly typical of conservative activists in the GOP, not the bought-and-sold “leadership” but the rank-and-file, and therein lies a golden opportunity for Paul – and the antiwar movement.
Two You-Tube clips of the debate segment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTIRRThOTCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpUZiud98lE