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To: FredHunter08
I was going to let you have the last word (and you still can, I guess) but a couple of things had to be dealt with: Let me guess, an English major incapable of original work?

No, actually my degree is in business and as for original work I was the featured op-ed columnist in my local newspaper for three years, wrote a regular local history column for them and also served as a journalist writing stories on everything from military history to the difficulties of finding a new director for our city art museum. Among my current duties is serving as managing editor of a quarterly trade magazine, for which I write the occasional feature.

In short, another "oops" for you.

The claim was made that the definition for the “grapes of wrath” line in the Battle Hymn of the Republic, written by the wife of one of John Brown’s friends in 1861, may be found in the address given by Lincoln in 1865.

Um...so you really don't get that I was saying both Lincoln and Howe were talking about God's judgment on the nation for slavery? You really think I was saying that Julia Ward Howe read/heard/received as a download on the space radio Lincoln's Second Inaugural almost four years begfore it was delivered? It's impossible for you to conceive these people were talking about the same subject, in different years, using different phrasing? You really don't get that even after I posted the paragraph where Lincoln talks about God's wrath being visited on the nation?

And you're criticizing my reading skills? Good gravy!

1,263 posted on 05/31/2007 8:24:19 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Mr. Silverback
“No, actually my degree is in business”

It’s one thing to be a business major, but quite another to claim that gives you some basis for academic standing. There was an old saying in my particular college within my university: “The limit of “major” as GPA->0 is “business”.

“In short, another “oops” for you.”

Not really, no. Not even peer-review, but “journalism” and the local op-ed crank. I really could be more condescending about this, but I think I’ll let it slide for the time being. I would suggest not pushing the “business major” thing as an academic credential. There’s nothing wrong with a degree in business, but it’s most known - particularly at the undergraduate level - as a degree that lets one drink rather heavily....

“Um...so you really don’t get that I was saying both Lincoln and Howe were talking about God’s judgment on the nation for slavery?”

What you don’t get is that Howe and Lincoln were not on the same page. Lincoln viewed this as a stain on the entire country, Howe wanted to destroy the South. Howe was the wife of on of Brown’s backers, after all.

What was God’s judgment for slavery to be on the nation of Israel, by the way? By 1865, Lincoln was suffering from the death and destruction that war had wrought on the union he sought to preserve. That was his goal, by the way. Not the abolition of slavery, although he was personally against it. The actual radical abolitionists like Howe wanted not only slavery eradicated (good) but by massacre (bad). The 1833 Act of Parliament abolishing slavery in the British Empire would have been a better model.

Your side in this brought Lincoln’s address in as evidence for the meaning behind the lyrics of the Battle Hymn of the Republic, not I. The two were written by people not political allies and 4 years apart.

“You really don’t get that even after I posted the paragraph where Lincoln talks about God’s wrath being visited on the nation?”

Lincoln wasn’t Howe... and Howe viewed that wrath only applied against half the nation with the armies of the North as some sort of avenging angel. She ignored the culpability for it shared between South and North. Lincoln did not.

“And you’re criticizing my reading skills? Good gravy!”

If this is the extent of your comprehension of this argument, yes, I am.

1,336 posted on 05/31/2007 6:12:30 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Boycott Illegal-Alien-Pandering Lowes!)
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