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Graduates unprepared for college academics
THE GAZETTE ^ | May 21, 2007 | BRIAN NEWSOME

Posted on 05/23/2007 2:59:55 PM PDT by george76

Remedial classes await.

Thousands of Colorado high schoolers are graduating this month with plans to go to college in the fall.

Hundreds of them will be academically unprepared when they get there.

Those students will take — and pay for — remedial classes that don’t count toward a degree.

Educators say the need for remedial work is fueled largely by a lack of communication between high schools and colleges about what’s important to know. They also say high school students need to pay closer attention to class selection and grades, especially in the senior year when many coast toward graduation day. And, some say, high school should be more rigorous.

About 30 percent of recent high school graduates who went to Colorado’s public colleges last year were assigned to remedial courses in at least one subject, the report said. The number rose to about 56 percent at two-year colleges.

Nearly 61 percent of students were assigned to remedial classes at Pikes Peak Community College.

Even in the Pikes Peak region’s top-performing high schools, as many as 20 to 30 percent of graduates needed remedial help in college.

(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: classes; college; highschool; highschoolers; illiteracy; letarekidswalk; publicschools; publikskoolz; remedial; remedialclasses; school; schools
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To: SoftballMominVA; RKBA Democrat
Catholic schools are subsidized by the church, usually don't offer transportion and other services that public schools must offer, students usually must purchase their own textbooks, and frequently (although not as often as in the past) some of the administrators and teachers are priests and nuns, which further lowers their costs.

Even so, the Catholic boys' school in Savannah charges tuition of over $8,000 per year, and books, uniforms, and lab fees are another $400-$600 per year. I think costs are a bit less for the Catholic girls' school, but I can't find a website for it.

161 posted on 05/26/2007 9:15:58 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Political Junkie Too

So these are the parents protesting, not the students? I thought the one in white looked a little long in the tooth to be a student, but one never knows I guess.


162 posted on 05/27/2007 4:24:02 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (argumentum a silentio)
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To: Amelia
Colleges in Virginia charge less than 8K a year for tuition.

I wonder how much of an effect the priest scandal cost the Catholic church in donations. My sister belongs to a Catholic church in St. Louis; she told me that the diocese in her area was the only one that didn't go down following that scandal. That makes me think that the others might have been hit hard and as a result, there is less money for schools.

163 posted on 05/27/2007 4:27:17 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (argumentum a silentio)
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To: SoftballMominVA

In-state tuition for Georgia colleges is less than 8K per year as well.

Some of the area private schools are more expensive than the Catholic ones, however.


164 posted on 05/27/2007 6:27:07 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: jude24
“Oh, please. Homeschooling works well for some kids, poorly for others.”

Standardized testing shows that homeschooling children is more academically successful than is public schooling. While there most certainly are parents who misuse the freedom to homeschool and/or who do a poor job teaching their kids, most homeschool families are very successful.

Public education, on the other hand, is a national disaster. The story that leads this thread is only one example. TIMSS and PIRLS testing shows that are public school kids compare rather poorly to students from a great number of other nations. http://timss.bc.edu/

If you have a child who is doing well in a public school, thank God and recognize the fact that such a child is the exception...not the rule.

165 posted on 05/27/2007 6:52:31 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: george76
I understand that this article is about "Colorado's public colleges" so perhaps they have to take all applicants--but they should know from the SAT scores how unqualified some kids are.

The legislature should require a higher standard for admission to these schools.

I guess that would require courage--a trait not taught in the public schools.

:-(
166 posted on 05/27/2007 7:02:32 AM PDT by cgbg (A cigar a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: Amelia
“Catholic schools are subsidized by the church, usually don’t offer transportion and other services that public schools must offer, students usually must purchase their own textbooks, and frequently (although not as often as in the past) some of the administrators and teachers are priests and nuns, which further lowers their costs.”

The top performing (as measured by SAT testing) school in the FL Panhandle...and probably the state of Florida as a whole... is a private Christian school. It isn’t Catholic, isn’t subsidized, and charges $350 a month for tuition.

The school offers bus service to students up to about 20 miles away, although they do charge a small fee for the service. The teachers are paid staff, as is almost everyone else who works on the campus.

This years graduating senior class averaged well over $50K, per student, in college scholarships...far more than the total amount of tuition and book fees that would have been paid to put those seniors through all 12 years of school they’d completed to that point.

This is nothing unusual...it’s a yearly occurrence.

167 posted on 05/27/2007 7:04:49 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: SoftballMominVA
I'm assuming that it would be a parent with a sign that asks to let their kid walk.

-PJ

168 posted on 05/27/2007 11:29:03 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: george76
I'm calling BS on this.

I graduated from a top-level catholic high school in NY, with Honors, near the top of my class. I was never an academic slcaker. Didn't slack off my senior year, either; I took extra courses and only had 20 minutes for lunch every other day (the remaining days, I was eating lunch while I worked on my assignments). No studies, frees, or anything of the sort.

I attended a private university for 2 years, before changing to a public university for 1 year to get away from an abusive relationship. At the public university, they insisted I take a remedial math course.

I was pissed! Asked the professor if I could take the final; if I didn't pass, I'd attend the class. No go. Sat through instructions (in an accent so heavy, I spent more time trying to figure out what he was saying than learning anything) until the mid-term. Aced the midterm, dropped out until the final, aced that, and then cursed the school for wasting my time and money.

I'm wondering how many of these remedial classes are actually necessary!

169 posted on 05/27/2007 12:34:10 PM PDT by WriterInTX (I'M MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Tuition/books/fees/dorm/food for Ryan, at ODU, is going to cost me 16K starting in the fall.

As you know, the HS costs $26K...


170 posted on 05/27/2007 12:45:43 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: patton

Yup, I remember that thread - at least your child goes in state! My older is out of state (NC) and the younger is looking at NY schools. Told them both, we will contribute X amount of dollars - get to work if your school is going to cost more. Rough ol’ world.


171 posted on 05/27/2007 12:56:17 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Good for you. I told the kids, I will pay in state for four years - after that, they are cut off.


172 posted on 05/27/2007 12:59:56 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: patton

yeah but you are going to be paying tuition out of your pocket for a change. IF you are paying $16k for college, obviously it costs much more and is subsidized by taxpayers just like public HS. Between the scholarship $ that xsteen got from the University of Dallas and our refund of the prepaid VA tuition, we will be paying pretty much what we paid for her to go to Visitation.


173 posted on 05/27/2007 2:30:47 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Yeah, I am such a slacker, I have bever paid college tuition before.


174 posted on 05/27/2007 2:36:27 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: patton

are your kids in public school? have you been paying tuition for their education?


175 posted on 05/27/2007 3:19:58 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: patton

Have you looked at the Virginia line item budget? I was surprised how much the Commonwealth gives to higher education. The colleges/universities get more money than all the K-12 combined. UVA and VCU get a hog’s share because of the medical attached to the schools


176 posted on 05/27/2007 4:35:27 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
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To: SoftballMominVA

VA instate tuition is fantastic compared to other states. my brother and his family live in Ohio, and my SIL was just floored at how cheap instate tuition is here in VA, for top notch schools, as compared to the Ohio state system.


177 posted on 05/27/2007 6:46:57 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: george76

Soooooooo What’s new?

More money,that will fix it!! sarc.


178 posted on 05/27/2007 6:49:27 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it!!!)
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To: xsmommy

That’s the reason why my brother in Ohio didn’t go to OSU, because it was too damn expensive.


179 posted on 05/27/2007 6:51:50 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82

i was floored, i had not had anything to compare it to, but when you have all the major schools in VA, including Wm and Mary, UVA etc. charging about $10k per year, you just can’t beat that with a stick. i have no idea why anyone with kids would live in MD if they live in the DC area, because VA has it all over them on the plethora of reasonably priced state schools. Of course, it did me no good, because even though we prepaid VA tuition, my oldest is going to an out of state school. we truly feel it is the absolute best place for her and she will receive a magnificent education there, but hopefully one of the other two kids will go to a VA school : )


180 posted on 05/27/2007 6:55:16 PM PDT by xsmommy
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