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To: ahayes
I keep on having people tell me I can't have a sense of morality if I don't believe in God, yet I am strangely unconvinced.

I hope you do not interpret what I have said to mean that I don't believe that you have a sense of morality. You obviously do have a sense of morality, which is evident every time you make a moral judgment. I just think that your sense of morality is tacit evidence of your knowledge of God, which you suppress. You do not acknowledge Him or give Him thanks, but you have a sense of morality because you were made in His image and likeness.

Christian: Your life is bleak and meaningless.

Me: No, it's not.

I for one have never said that your life is meaningless. I believe your life has meaning and value because you were created in God's image and live in His world. I just think that every time you think your life has meaning you are being inconsistent with your own Godless presuppositions.

Christian: Well, you can't say anything's wrong.

Me: Yes I can, I do it all the time, actually.

Christian: Well, you can't say why it's wrong.

Me: Yes, I can. Here's why.

As above, I for one do not say that you are incapable of or can't make moral judgments, but merely that when you do so you are being inconsistent with your presuppositions. I have not yet seen how or why you expect a purely material universe to generate moral obligation, and what sense it makes to expect mere physical forces to be moral and rational.

Cordially,

656 posted on 05/25/2007 7:41:05 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond
I hope you do not interpret what I have said to mean that I don't believe that you have a sense of morality.

I'm glad to see you realize that, so many times I feel like I am expected to be out looting and pillaging (which disturbs me because I wonder, would this Christian saying so be out looting and pillaging if he lost his belief in God?)

I just think that your sense of morality is tacit evidence of your knowledge of God, which you suppress. You do not acknowledge Him or give Him thanks, but you have a sense of morality because you were made in His image and likeness.

I realize that is the Christian position, but you can hardly expect to convince non-Christians of this.

I just think that every time you think your life has meaning you are being inconsistent with your own Godless presuppositions.

Once again, you're not going to convince me. :-D

I have not yet seen how or why you expect a purely material universe to generate moral obligation, and what sense it makes to expect mere physical forces to be moral and rational.

As I explained, it is generated within.

667 posted on 05/26/2007 12:39:35 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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